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View Poll Results: How do folks in Alaska feel about Gov. Palin
I support Gov Palin. Voting McCain in 2008 32 42.11%
I do not support Gov. Palin. Voting Obama in 2008 29 38.16%
Both equally bad, were Doomed 15 19.74%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 76. You may not vote on this poll

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Unread 09-17-2008, 04:04 PM
 
Location: SE Alaska
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Yes, you're right...sorry about that error. From the grapevine, I've heard there was pretty good cause for her to want more done about the dude...but I understand what the supposed ethics question about her is.

 
Unread 09-17-2008, 04:09 PM
 
Location: Dangling from a mooses antlers
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The whole issue of tribal/native sovereignty in Alaska isn't as clear as it in the lower 48. And quite frankly it's disengeneous to tag all these problems on Palin. These issues should have been more fully addressed when they were discussing ANCSA.

These issues all need to be addressed. For anyone that interested in reading about it the link below has pretty good info....

ANCSA & Alaska Native lands (http://justice.uaa.alaska.edu/rlinks/natives/ak_ancsa.html - broken link)
 
Unread 09-17-2008, 04:15 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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Originally Posted by Arcticthaw View Post
Let's see"

The Katie John case,
A dual view case of subsidence rights and State sovereign rights to regulate fish and game granted by congress in the state hood act. Case was abandoned by Gov. Tony Knowles (D) during a re election bid seeming to try and gain the Native vote. IMHO

http://media.adn.com/smedia/2008/09/10/10/State_v_Norton___Katie_John_consol_05_15_07.source .prod_affiliate.7.pdf (broken link)

Maybe someone else will have luck finding the other two cases mentioned. I am sure they exist, goggle, 9th circuit court of appeals, and AK state courts searches of the web sites reveal nothing. Other searches reveal biased bloggs.

One last thing, I fully support the subsistence lifestyle in Alaska by any one wishing to eek out that kind of existence. I only have one proviso which is use only pre white man tools, methods, etc. Enhancing traditional skills and lifestyle. So send all your guns, boats and motors, ATV, cars, trucks, propane, gasoline, diesel, plywood, tin, food stamps, rope, modern fishing nets, freezers, etc. to Carslile trucking in Fairbanks in care of Arcticthaw and I will arrange pick up.

I am not trying to sound mean or anything, just that subsistence is being abused by those not living where they claim subsistence. If you travel by commercial carrier to subsist, you don't need it, cause you don't live it. Might be part of the cause of apparent over harvesting in some remote areas.


"Many of our relatives are going to want their traditional

foods for next winter but it is going to be very hard for us living out here to

harvest what we need for ourselves, not to mention our relatives in urban

Alaska. Fuel costs are very high and it will costs hundreds of dollars more for us to

go Subsistence fishing, hunting, and gathering this year. If our urban relatives

come out for a visit they need to bring cash for gas, and a few cases of food stuff

from Costco, fishing tackle, nets, and ammo for hunting to help out in getting our

food for everybody."
Quoted From this post. Energy Crisis
Guns have been in Alaska since the Russians entered the picture in the 1700's. I could be wrong but as far as I know "subsistence" hunting, fishing and trapping isn't really about using the same tools as people several centuries ago/etc.

Seems to be a lot of tension between "sport" hunters/fishermen and "subsistence" hunters/fishermen on other AK forums I'm on. Borders on the absurd at times.
 
Unread 09-17-2008, 04:16 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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Originally Posted by Marty Van Diest View Post
I'm a Palin supporter...but this needs to be corrected. The trooper wasn't fired. That's what made Palin upset, that more wasn't done to this trooper. Her commissioner wasn't technically fired either I guess. He was asked to take a different position and he refused which means he lost his job...Is that being fired? I don't know.

The big issue is whether she used undue influence in her postion of power to try to get someone fired. The fact that the person she tried to get fired was not fired I suppose has some bearing. So the real issue is whether she was using her power wrongly.
You are correct. Walt Monigan was asked to be the Director of one of the Divisions within the Department of Public Safety. As the Commissioner of Public Safety, this would have been a demotion. Monigan refused the offer, thereby quiting. He was not fired.

Monigan went to DC on his own, using taxpayer funds, in order to solicit a federal ear-mark grant for his Department, bypassing the Governor's office because he knew Governor Palin would disapprove. That was insubordination, and more than ample grounds to fire him on the spot.

As you correctly pointed out, Trooper Wooten is still on the job. So obviously Sarah did not use her influence to get him fired.

This entire investigation is a partisan witch hunt by the liberals who can't stand Governor Palin's conservative principles.
 
Unread 09-17-2008, 04:20 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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Originally Posted by huttah View Post
Is anyone going to do this?

Like, was anyone undecided, not going to vote for McCain, or undecided then changed their mind simply because Palin is from Alaska? Voting just to have an Alaskan VP even if you don't agree with the basic republican ideas?
A lot of people I know who are voting McCain are doing so because of Obama not Palin, but quite a few are also hoping McCain has a heart attack or something and Palin becomes president. I'm writing in Ron Paul anyways, makes no difference because of where I'll be voting...
 
Unread 09-17-2008, 04:32 PM
 
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Thank you, Alaskans, for opening up this folder for discussion.
 
Unread 09-17-2008, 04:37 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Barkingowl View Post
Sarah Palin's Record on
Alaska Native and Tribal Issues

1. Palin has attacked Alaska Native Subsistence Fishing
2. Palin has attacked Alaska Native Subsistence Hunting
Both are not true. The Alaska State Constitution states that all resources of the state shall be shared equally among all Alaskans. In 1996 the federal government came in and usurped Alaska's Constitution by giving "rural" Alaskan residents preferential treatment. Governor Palin's suit against the federal government is for violating the 10th Amendment of the US Constitution. The federal government has absolutely no business dictating how Alaska manages its fish and game resources, particularly when they deliberately violate our state constitution.

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Originally Posted by Barkingowl View Post
3. Palin has attacked Alaska Tribal Sovereignty
There is only one native tribe that is on a federal reservation in Alaska - the Metlakatla Indian Community on Annette Island. All the other native tribes in Alaska are Alaskan and United States citizens. According to the the Alaska Land Act of 1972, and the US Supreme Court, they are not sovereign, and they never have been.

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Originally Posted by Barkingowl View Post
4. Palin has attacked Alaska Native Languages
Because you refuse to print ballots in dozens of different languages besides English, is not an attack on any of those other languages. It is no different that refusing to print ballots or other government forms in Spanish or German or any other language. Those languages are not being attacked, English is merely being preferred.

Before posting this kind of pure BS, you should consider the source.
 
Unread 09-17-2008, 04:44 PM
 
Location: Alaska
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Originally Posted by Siouxcia View Post
I'm confused. Palin responded to the question re. 'under God' with it was 'good enough for our founding fathers...'. The woman obviously believes that our 'founding fathers' developed the Pledge of Allegiance. Geeze!!
A case can be made that she was thinking about the Declaration of independence, drafted by our founding fathers, which include references to "God" and their "Creator." Notice the capital "C" on creator, which implies a supreme being. As to whether she was thinking in these terms, only she knows.
 
Unread 09-17-2008, 04:52 PM
 
Location: Hangin' with the bears.
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Hmm, maybe I and most other posters didn't know the date of the conception of the Pledge of Alligance but I did know it was 'new', twentieth century new. When I don't know something, I don't 'fake it' by pretending to know it. Only makes you look stupid when you do.

As for citing facts about Palin's support for the 'Bridge to Nowhere', you're kidding right? You are "Alaskagirl" afterall. She used that support in her quest for Govenor. She only removed her support AFTER Congress said 'whoa'!

Palin states she supports McCains platform of NO EARMARKS. The following from her lipsticked 'pitbull' mouth, February of this year.
newsminer.com • Palin: Setting the earmarks opinion straight
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This year, we have requested 31 earmarks, down from 54 in 2007. Of these, 27 involve continuing or previous appropriations and four are new requests. The total dollar amount of these requests has been reduced from approximately $550 million in the previous year to just less than $200 million.
McCain had criticized earmarks from Palin - Los Angeles Times
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Unread 09-17-2008, 04:53 PM
 
Location: Hangin' with the bears.
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Originally Posted by akck View Post
A case can be made that she was thinking about the Declaration of independence, drafted by our founding fathers, which include references to "God" and their "Creator." Notice the capital "C" on creator, which implies a supreme being. As to whether she was thinking in these terms, only she knows.
Who is 'spinning' now?
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