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Old 10-17-2008, 12:43 AM
 
Location: Connecticut
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Polar bears are dying? Where?
'Polars bears on the brink? Don't you believe it' | Mail Online

Polar Bears are dying because the temperature has risen so much.

 
Old 10-17-2008, 02:11 AM
 
Location: Barrow, Alaska
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You cite is not a credible source of information. It is clearly an emotional bit of writing, that avoid truth if it doesn't fit the view they want to tell.
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Polar Bears are dying because the temperature has risen so much.
That simply is not true. We have no data that suggest any such "dying".
 
Old 10-17-2008, 02:51 AM
 
Location: Naptowne, Alaska
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'Polars bears on the brink? Don't you believe it' | Mail Online

Polar Bears are dying because the temperature has risen so much.
Now we have polar bear professionals in Conneticut? Do we even have polar bears in Conneticut? I mean other than in a zoo?
Speaking of zoo's...aren't there polar bears in zoo's all over the world? And many if not all...are in much warmer climates than northern Alaska and Canada? And yet those very same polar bears seem to fare pretty well? Heck even the polar bear in the Anchorage Zoo seems to be healthy enough and I know it's warmer there than the Arctic Ocean.
 
Old 10-17-2008, 09:55 AM
 
Location: um....guess
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This isn't the thread for it but suffice to say that they are SOCIALISTS! Basic economics simply escapes their comprehension. You can't soak the rich because they already pay the vast majority of income taxes and EVERYONE ends up suffering. Have you ever been hired by a poor person?

That, and they are ignorant, naive fools when it comes to foreign policy. They've were wrong about every huge issue, especially the Cold War(remember the "nuclear freeze" garbage?) for the past 50 years.

Finally, Obama would probably be able to appoint a few justices to the Supreme Court. The Left hasn't been able force it's degenerate and flat-out moronic "cultural" viewpoints on America because most Americans are against such stupidity. However, the "progressives" now use the court system to override the will of the people. Court decisions in MA, CA, and most recently Connecticut that legalized that oxymoron "gay marriage" against the wishes of the people are prime examples.

Worst Case Scenario
That's great, instead of intelligent conversation, you resort yet again to name calling. Not a very valid argument, hey? As far as us leftists having moronic viewpoints, I beg to differ on that. I really don't give a crap what the will of the people is, especially when that "will" is flat-out discrimination. That's right, it's discriminatory to not allow all human beings the right to get married. I could care less about your homophobias, I do care about your disrespect & ignorance about others.
 
Old 10-17-2008, 03:18 PM
 
Location: NOCO
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Temperature and Bear deaths aren't directly related, its what that temperature does to lower trophic levels and accessibility to food sources, I haven't researched this or looked at any data, just pointing out a relationship. In theory, higher temperature would mean more net primary productivity in the arctic ocean, therefore more food, but there are other factors at work which I haven't looked into, such as polar bear hunting habits, prep for winter, anything like that.
 
Old 10-17-2008, 03:38 PM
 
Location: NOCO
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There should be a negative connotation. It doesn't work, never has, and eliminates the motivation to excel. One merely has to look at what happened to the Soviet Union to see what a disastrous ideology it is. Social Security is an anchor around the neck of the economy and nowhere in the Constitution does it say that the government is required to provide health care.
I understand your arguement, but have a few things to point out. The soviet union was not true socialism, and theres a reason why that occured. Never worked? I think there are certain aspects which work well, but certain conditions must be in place in order to make it happen, and theres no reason why a socialist government. Social Security I think was originally implemented to boost the economy, keep that population spending in a consumption based economy. You speak the truth on healthcare, and I understand why you wrote that I misphrased my senteances.

In most socialist systems, it basically needs to start with a dictatorship, or slowly molded into a true socialist system, the problem with the first start I stated is rulers generally become more ambitious, see Cuba, Soviet Union, etc. If the system is put in place and maintained properly, it's more efficient and reliable than a capitalist system, however, the best systems have a link between the two, the ability to do what you want, with the benefits that a state provides.

All in all, to say it's never worked isn't true. These are mostly economic/governmental terms, actual ruling type(democracy, dictatorship, etc etc) is a different system in my view. I just argue that some socialist ideals should be implimented, especially since the U.S. is an urban/technological based society for the mostpart, but keep enough of an opportunity to opperate in a risk/reward system to provide some possibility for mobility. Pure socialism is an ideal, a happily ever after forever type of thing, but reality is there needs to be a mix, especially in a world economy with outside influences.

hmm...anything else to respond to....drawing a blank.
 
Old 10-17-2008, 03:49 PM
 
Location: Barrow, Alaska
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In theory, higher temperature would mean more net primary productivity in the arctic ocean, therefore more food, but there are other factors at work which I haven't looked into, such as polar bear hunting habits, prep for winter, anything like that.
Your theory about productivity and warmer temperatures in the Arctic Ocean is probably not valid. Consider that the Arctic Ocean's largest productivity is a biomass of very small plants and animals that depend upon ice cover over the ocean during the summer months. Warmer temperatures may cause a decrease in productivity.

Second, people who have not studied polar bears to at least some minimal degree should probably not post opinions of the significance of anything in relation to them. That is true also of brown bears and black bears also, to only a slightly lesser degree. Bears just don't do what humans assume they would do...
 
Old 10-17-2008, 03:51 PM
 
Location: Southern Minnesota
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I'm just glad California has over 60 times the population of Alaska
 
Old 10-17-2008, 03:56 PM
 
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Now we have polar bear professionals in Conneticut? Do we even have polar bears in Conneticut? I mean other than in a zoo?
Speaking of zoo's...aren't there polar bears in zoo's all over the world? And many if not all...are in much warmer climates than northern Alaska and Canada? And yet those very same polar bears seem to fare pretty well? Heck even the polar bear in the Anchorage Zoo seems to be healthy enough and I know it's warmer there than the Arctic Ocean.
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I'm sorry, but that is just ridiculous.
 
Old 10-17-2008, 04:00 PM
 
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Polar Bears -- Polar Bears Threatened by Global Warming, says Bush Administration

Even the Bushies can't deny the facts.

Food.

How do the bears obtain it?

That's the key.
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