I couldnt help it--- (Sterling: transfer to, to live, garden)

[aurorawatcher]

You could have kept it vinyl don't rot. I have Rocky Mtn High in a album Frame

[lyoness]

Originally Posted by mongazid

Lyoness, Mr. Prennoke was 50 when he started his journey.

I watched that, on PBS I think it was, again not very long ago. You have to admire the guy! Nowdays if it doesn't come out of a box or plug into the wall most folks wouldn't want to mess with it.

[aurorawatcher]

You weren't born in the wrong era, just stuck in the wrong state.

[lyoness]

Originally Posted by bkyhi

First ask yourself what you want; then you have to do it.

You have some good points there Brian. There is no such thing as getting rich quick Wait a minute, I've been working since I was old enough to start out babysitting, and still haven't made my first million! Where did I go wrong..... Anyway, the point I was trying to make was that, for myself, no matter how much I had always held on to the dream of living remote and as close to a self-sufficient lifestyle as I would feel comfortable, I don't ever forsee it becoming a reality. As a realist I know I will have to work full time to pull in enough income to support myself, most likely until they plant me in the ground. Which translates into having to live close enough to employment and not having the time one would need to both work outside the home and work on day to day living i.e. chopping wood, gardening, canning etc. Sux to get old. But then again, at my age I have time now to live a little of my own dream!

[lyoness]

Originally Posted by aurorawatcher

You could have kept it vinyl don't rot. I have Rocky Mtn High in a album Frame

Frame would have been a great idea! I lost a whole box of some great oldies, but believe me, cleaning up the grossness after the neighborhood flooded, you touched nothing with your bare hands, just shovels and lots of bleach!

[aurorawatcher]

I saw him in concert the year before he passed away

[Grannysroost]

Originally Posted by lyoness

You have some good points there Brian. There is no such thing as getting rich quick Wait a minute, I've been working since I was old enough to start out babysitting, and still haven't made my first million! Where did I go wrong..... Anyway, the point I was trying to make was that, for myself, no matter how much I had always held on to the dream of living remote and as close to a self-sufficient lifestyle as I would feel comfortable, I don't ever forsee it becoming a reality. As a realist I know I will have to work full time to pull in enough income to support myself, most likely until they plant me in the ground. Which translates into having to live close enough to employment and not having the time one would need to both work outside the home and work on day to day living i.e. chopping wood, gardening, canning etc. Sux to get old. But then again, at my age I have time now to live a little of my own dream!

We are getting to old too go remote all the way. We have lived not so much remote, but rustic several times in the last 13 years to get to the end result...No running water, tight quarters, but always had electric and/or propane, wood stove...so heating water to do anything was necessary...outhouse...we spent a winter in northern MN when it was -40, I swear, almost all winter...once it's -20, it's just cold and don't meander...when we were gone to work for the day, it would be so cold when you went in...don't touch anything because you'd probably stick to it, no leaving anything in there that would freeze, can goods, shampoo, dish soap, water...the wood stove would get it so hot in the cabin, we'd have to open the door to cool it down for a while...if it snowed, might plow the road, but that one was low priority. Spring came, mud...park a car on one side of the muck to get out, drive to the other good end and leave the car...wade across the muck and haul whatever you needed with you, water, groceries, laundry...but was some of the best times we had.

Now, I need electric and computer access to work also, so is a give-take thing. You can still go self-sufficient to some extent with only buying what you need, fishing-freezing, hunting-freezing,can have a garden and still work, chickens maybe??? You just need to go slow and find the niche that works for you rather than jumping in head first and getting overwhelmed, done that one too many times

[lyoness]

Originally Posted by aurorawatcher

You weren't born in the wrong era, just stuck in the wrong state.

Most definitely!! Been working on remedying (is that a word?) that for way too long now

[lyoness]

So true Deb! I know at this point in my life running water and electricity aren't a luxury, but a requirement for me. But there are so many ways to live rustic without being rustic, if that makes sense. Solar/wind power for electric, wood stove for heat, grow/gather/hunt/fish/can/dry. It's the satisfaction that knowing everything you are doing is for your own existance, not to line uncle sam and his crownie's pockets on your broken back.

[Grannysroost]

Originally Posted by lyoness

So true Deb! I know at this point in my life running water and electricity aren't a luxury, but a requirement for me. But there are so many ways to live rustic without being rustic, if that makes sense. Solar/wind power for electric, wood stove for heat, grow/gather/hunt/fish/can/dry. It's the satisfaction that knowing everything you are doing is for your own existance, not to line uncle sam and his crownie's pockets on your broken back.

and survival skills to boot!!!