Murder in Fairbanks (high school, income, income tax)

[arctichomesteader]

Advice most lawyers will give you: keep quiet until the case is all over with in its entirety.

[bkyhi]

Originally Posted by nothingbutlove

BUT DONT BE SO QUICK TO JUDGE PEOPLE..

HES NOT A BAD KID JUST STUPID decision on all three of thiers parts.

I have a lot of sympathy for both families involved and the town of Fairbanks. Well we will judge - that's the American way - the final will be a jury. Sounds like this kid has been making a whole bunch of bad decisions for quiet some time.

Too bad this kid was put in a man's situation, but nobody ever taught him to be a man. He needs help - badly.

As it appears, this was an inexcusable act for selfish reasons, just another story in the downward spiral of society.

Please don't judge gang members for senseless/needless killing either - it's not them or their character, or their maturity - it's their situation.

[nothingbutlove]

Originally Posted by blue_eyedgirl

I understand where you are coming from but you also need to understand how deeply this crime has impacted the community here. Its left many of us shaken. I don't think anyone would blame your family or think ill of you for loving your cousin. Its a horrible situation and this violent crime has left a long trail of pain for many people.

Blue_eyedgirl i do understand it has shaken your community and trust me i do understand. and trust me as much as it hurts to say he need to pay for the crime he has commited. i hope that hes found not guilty but at the same level he told the police and i mean i dont know all the details but i do know as much as it hurts to say i do believe he did it and he truly does need to pay for the crime.. you know the saying if you cant do the time dont do the crime.. well this kind of crime should have never happend but the sad truth is it did and he must do the time.

it just sad and hurtful to see the kid who stopped me from getting in trouble and who basically raised me turned to this type of ...... i dont even know. that type of person? monster? pain filled kid? i dont know what he turned to and many people have their own words.. but i can say on behalf of our family we truly do apologize to not only the community but the mans family.

[solotr2]

Late to this 'party' and I have to agree with blueflames50: All choices have consequences and ultimately, we are responsible for our actions. You mean to tell me three 20 somethings, in good health (let's not go there with the idiots in the military) could think of nothing better to do than beat a 62 year old man to death? They couldn't find a soup kitchen to help out in...Towndrow, didn't think it necessary to be a man and get his children out of a bad situation (oh, forgot he's also the one who likes molesting children - my bad!).

No, I don't agree with the government killing its citizens - that's the devil in disguise. However justice for none (Dan) is an injustice to us all. The death penalty comes with 'built-in' get out of jail free cards in the form of 20 year appeals that means the citizens "pay" to house, feed and support bad behavior....maybe the Arab countries had this one right - you steal, say bye-bye to your hand; you kill - say bye-bye to your life. Simple.

[Barkingowl]

So is this now a civilian matter or one for a military court to decide?

[mal_flisk]

According to the UCMJ and the jurisdiction in which the offenses took place, it is a civilian court. They however will be tried under the UCMJ for at least an article 134, conduct unbecoming and prejudicial to the military. Also known as the general article and sometimes referred to as "Catch-22". It allows the military a certain amount of leniency when they can't prosecute for a specific Article under the rest of the punitive articles. If it's bad, and you dunnit, and it isn't covered under the rest, Article 134 is the one you get charged with. Double jeopardy prevents you from being charged and tried under multiple jurisdictions or multiple times for the same crime.

But the military will not allow them to get away scot-free and will probably utilize this article to proceed with a Dishonorable or Bad Conduct Discharge (BCD - Big Chicken Dinner in milspeak).

[nothingbutlove]

[quote=solotr2;7053142] Towndrow, didn't think it necessary to be a man and get his children out of a bad situation (oh, forgot he's also the one who likes molesting children - my bad!).

pretty sure when your locked up its not all that easy to get your kids.. im mean i never been to jail or nothing but i dont think they let the kids come live with you in jail. maybe im wrong but last i check they didnt.

and he was trying but with the way alaska works he couldn't take her to court because she was knocked up with some other dudes kid. and "there could be a small chance its his" thats what the lawers told him. HE WAS LOCKED UP DOUBT ITS HIS..

And furthermore before you start talking smack about him molesting children get the facts right. since im sure your not part of the family in any way shape or form i feel its safe to say that you dont know all the details. unlike the rest of us who are in the family...

[blueflames50]

okay I have seethed long enough ....he may be your family and for that you are blind. As they say...."love is blind". He did what he did, he's done what he's done, and he needs to pay for what he has done....simple. the old way of "pull up the boot straps and make do" he has no clue of. He chose to do what he did and he needs to pay, simple. Whether you like it or not.

[nothingbutlove]

Originally Posted by blueflames50

okay I have seethed long enough ....he may be your family and for that you are blind. As they say...."love is blind". He did what he did, he's done what he's done, and he needs to pay for what he has done....simple. the old way of "pull up the boot straps and make do" he has no clue of. He chose to do what he did and he needs to pay, simple. Whether you like it or not.

Im almost positive i've said that many many many times. go back and look.. as i have said i does suck to see a family memeber do that but he will have to pay for what he did

[starlite9]

[quote=nothingbutlove;7072818]

Originally Posted by solotr2

Towndrow, didn't think it necessary to be a man and get his children out of a bad situation (oh, forgot he's also the one who likes molesting children - my bad!).

pretty sure when your locked up its not all that easy to get your kids.. im mean i never been to jail or nothing but i dont think they let the kids come live with you in jail. maybe im wrong but last i check they didnt.

and he was trying but with the way alaska works he couldn't take her to court because she was knocked up with some other dudes kid. and "there could be a small chance its his" thats what the lawers told him. HE WAS LOCKED UP DOUBT ITS HIS..

And furthermore before you start talking smack about him molesting children get the facts right. since im sure your not part of the family in any way shape or form i feel its safe to say that you dont know all the details. unlike the rest of us who are in the family...

Years back when I was a police officer, I had to do some cases on children being molested, most of the time is was by either a relative that they trusted, or a family friend. Very rarely does it happen from a stranger off the street, it does happen though, and when it does it gets great press because it sells, but is not the "Norm".

When a family member of friend molests a child, it tends to get swept under the carpet and nobody wants to talk about it.

I don't think that the child molested, cares if it was someone they knew or a stranger, they were terrified and are damaged for life in the dark corners of their mind. Many of their future relationships are going to be marred by the past, as well as their children.

There is no excuse for molesting a child and the penalties should be very swift, public and stiff.

What amazed me is that when you go to a jail and listen to the inmates talk to each other, they were all "Framed". Their families claimed they were set up by the government and so forth.

When some nut job goes out and kills people, the press will stick a camera in their mom's face and she blames everyone but her monster kid.

I have very little concern for anyone that is related to these guys that killed a man that was not harming them except possibly with the truth.

When scum go to jail, their family/kids suffer without a parent, brother, sister, son, husband or wife... Maybe they should have thought about that before the crime. I do feel sorry for the kids at having a jerk for a parent though, it wasn't their fault, but I wouldn't give the criminal a pass because of them either.

The victim is the one that should have some rights and that isn't what happens. It is always criminal and that should change.