Murder in Fairbanks (credit card, calculating, restaurant)

[rotorhead]

[quote=mal_flisk;7528740]
Learning is opening your mind to other possibilities. If all we believed was all we ever learned, we would wind up as ignorant peasants, afraid of the dark. [ /QUOTE]

I like that one. For some reason, it reminds me of some of the meeting at the borough assembly down here as of late.

I've learned my lesson, mea maximu culpa.

I guess I'll have to disable the "flame war" hot-key I've got set up.

[bkyhi]

Originally Posted by rotorhead

Those words are possibly the most offensive thing I've ever read in this forum. They are an assault on the entire concept of justice, common decency, and reason itself. HOW COULD YOU POSSIBLY THINK THIS IS TRUE?!?

It absolutely stuns me that anyone could possibly, under any circumstances, think like this. It completely disregards the entire concept of personal responsibility for ones own actions.

Rotorhead,

I couldn't agree with you more! Yes, as Floyd stated in his post, I was being sarcastic, sorry I didn't make it more obvious. I'm from a time when smilies didn't exist and I personally don't like to use them. But I could have made it more obvious, with something like - 'excuse me, my sarcasm is showing'. I'm learning that you have to make your intentions plainly known when you post, as somebody may not understand.

Personal responsibility is something I learned at a very young age my Dad was a good teacher and the belt did a lot to enforce his lessons. I'm from the old school, where corporal punishment was the norm. I'm not saying it's always right, but it sure as heck isn't always wrong. Remember corporal punishment in school? It did a lot to deter kids from doing things they shouldn't. Yet today kids take guns to school and go on shooting sprees. Something is terribly wrong.

I do believe we as a nation have gotten a little too soft, maybe Singapore can be a good example for us.

Singapore sentences American to caning
http://www.corpun.com/sgju9403.htm


I like Mal's post, he shows a bunch of experience in life and good sense with his words.

Too much change too fast, something's gotta give.
The more time goes on the more I see it:
Future Shock: by Alvin Toffler

[ImAHobbit]

Originally Posted by mal_flisk

<Originally, God was the one who created the world. Science said maybe so, but geologic time says something different. We left the Catholic church behind shortly after Galileo was tried for heresy. Science took the lead. But have we left our beliefs behind? Of course not.

Sorry Mal but I beg to differ on some points and here's one of many reasons why:

The London Artifact is an iron hammer, surrounded by a solid mass of cretaceous rock. The handle was partially PETRIFIED. It was discovered in London, Texas. Notice the shiny spot on the metal part. The family who found the hammer, filed the metal to see if it was really metal; the spot has not rusted yet, even though it has been about forty-five years. Is it really iron? A test was done on the metal. This hammer contains 96% iron, 2.6% chlorine, and 0.74% sulfur. There are no bubbles in it at all. Yes, it is iron. The quality of which equals or exceeds the quality of any iron found today.

[bkyhi]

Originally Posted by ImAHobbit

Sorry Mal but I beg to differ on some points and here's one of many reasons why:

The London Artifact is an iron hammer, surrounded by a solid mass of cretaceous rock. The handle was partially PETRIFIED. It was discovered in London, Texas. Notice the shiny spot on the metal part. The family who found the hammer, filed the metal to see if it was really metal; the spot has not rusted yet, even though it has been about forty-five years. Is it really iron? A test was done on the metal. This hammer contains 96% iron, 2.6% chlorine, and 0.74% sulfur. There are no bubbles in it at all. Yes, it is iron. The quality of which equals or exceeds the quality of any iron found today.

Are you implying aliens from space? Need more research - way too much controversy on this one. Any idea what the missing .66 % is?

[Floyd_Davidson]

Originally Posted by bkyhi

Are you implying aliens from space? Need more research - way too much controversy on this one. Any idea what the missing .66 % is?

Hey, I saw one today that just fits into this thread perfectly, right at this point too!

For obvious reasons I won't be providing a source for this cite... but I did get it off the Internet, so it has to be true enough.

Y'all may not be up to date on the latest technology but...

After having dug to a depth of 10 feet last year, 20 New York
scientists found traces of a copper-wire system dating back 100
years and they came to the conclusion that their ancestors already
had a telephone network more than 100 years ago.

Not to be outdone by New Yorkers, in the weeks that followed,
California scientists dug to a depth of 20 feet, and shortly after
a headline story in the LA Times newspaper read: 'California
archaeologists have found traces of 200 year old copper wire system
and have concluded that their ancestors already had an advanced
high-tech communications network a hundred years earlier than the
New Yorkers.'

One week later, 'The Redneck Gazette' in West Texas
reported the following:... After digging as deep as 30 feet in a
corn field, Bubba Ray Johnson, a self-taught archaeologist,
reported that he found absolutely nothing. Bubba has therefore
concluded that 300 years ago, Texas had already gone wireless.

And that is also why Al Gore is all wrong, and Global Warming is a myth, and the Arctic icepack expands from the shore line 300 miles south of its edge.

Bubba's a great scientist.

[bkyhi]

OK Floyd - good one.
As I was reading it I was expecting and waiting for the punchline.

Not exactly rolling on the floor but definitely LMAO.

[vegetarianblt]

I grew up with Towndrow as well, he was my best friend. And he and his family have been part of my family my entire life. He did community service while he still lived here in NY, got Hillary Clinton to donate money to our town for recreation, and sat on the board for Reality Check. We still do not know why these actions took place, and people need to think twice before they assume someone is scum or trash, Brian has worked hard his entire life to prove people otherwise. The military as well as the media have been famous for desensitizing people, and this is a perfect example. Wait until the details are released before jumping to conclusions. Also, if he was in his right mind at the time of the murder, why would he call the police and tell them where to locate the body?

[vegetarianblt]

also, i can't let this go on any longer
Brian Towndrow did NOT molest a child.
He had sex with a 15 year old who consented.

I know it doesn't matter if she consented or not

But i felt it nessicary to fix this.

[warptman]

OOOk.

[rotorhead]

Jumping to conclusions is not necessary. The FACTS are that an old man was brutally murdered, essentially for pocket change. The trial will just confirm that the three young men in question did in fact commit that murder.

Their "mindset" at the time is irrelevant, their childhood "traumas" are irrelevant, their purported level of "desensitization" is irrelevant. Everything good or charitable that one has done or said in the past is irrelevant, everyone you have helped or befriended in the past is irrelevant, and all your previous contributions to society are no longer of concern when you commit an act of that nature.

When you participate in brutally beating a man three times your age, strangling him, and dumping his body like so much trash, THOSE facts are relevant.