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Listen buddy, the man was President. His policies lead us to this abyss. For 6 of the 8 years it was his Republican Party. What you are telling us is that the buck does not stop with the President.
The sorry team W put together was responsible. From the earliesy years, Paul Krugman had sounded the alarm about the mendacity and politics the Bush team was playing with America's economy. The disastrous war we were lied into by, who else, W was the final nail in America's economic coffin.
Please, if you want to rewrite history, try and be a little more subtle about it. This is embarrassing, your current performance.
Then, by your definition, Obama is responsible for what happens from this point forward. I'm not saying he caused the mess or that all the downhill movement is his responsibility, but if we see the market go down after he gets legislation passed or makes a speech, that has to be on him and a vote of no confidence. Are you still going to be blaming Bush 5 years from now?
But surely you've noticed that this board is full of those who come into these discussions and deposit their snide little remarks as if the forum should reflect their personal preferences only (not really directed at Warpt ).
Oh well; time to get ready to go into the city for the evening. Have a good one.
I am sorry to have to tell you this again, but the bailout originated with George W. Bush. It's kind of hard to tell from your writing style, but you seem to believe it is the sole work of "liberals".
If you want me to believe that then I want you to believe that the Community Reinvestment Act of 1977 where banks were given incentives to qualify lower and lower income home buyers is what started the housing bubble. It was further exacerbated by the pushing of banks to make riskier loans by Barney Frank and Chris Dodd by giving them financial incentives to loan to subprime buyers. All under the liberal agenda of equal rights. Even bus drivers need $800,000 homes. Bush did originate the bailout plan and I hated it even then (if you didn't notice Bush's approval rating was in the tank...most republicans thought he was out of step with conservative values long before the 700B bailout plan, it wasn't just liberals that hated certain policy decisions), but that was 700B, now we're talking bailouts in the 4 trillion range. I hated the first bailout, this is just starting to get ridiculous.
I stated in an earlier post that I fully understood that Republicans (I don't want you to confuse republicans and conservatives because they are two totally different things right now) were responsible for the massive government spending over the past 8 years. Does that make it ok for The One to double that spending all in the name of a crisis that he is stoking? Where are you now that Obama is fearmongering? Were you not the same ones that screamed bloody murder when GWB used fear and accused him of stoking fear if he even mentioned terrorism in any public speech?
This bubble has been brewing for decades and GWB is not completely responsible for it. He bears a large burden but this was a collective failing of our government oversight committees (those same committees run by Chris Dodd and Barney Frank) to do their jobs and look out for all of us. It took everyone in government looking the other way to get us out of this mess and The Almighty is disillusioned into thinking that he can fix it by doling out 4 trillion of yours and my dollars without any bipartisan discussion. These bills have been passed without debate, without reading them, and with 3 members of the Republican party (the 3 most liberal - all from the northeast, go figure). Oh what a change this is to the politics of the past, of putting aside our differences and working across the aisle.
Sorry to burst the Obamania bubble, he's just another politician that duped the left on a message of hope and change. Even minded Americans will see that it only keeps getting worse between now and 2012 and nothing He has done will have worked. I pray I'm wrong, but history doesn't lie, raising taxes in a recession causes one outcome, depression, loss of GDP, and further losses of jobs. You raise taxes and businesses fold or make cuts, you don't grow business (jobs) by confiscating their profits. Californians are leaving their state at record numbers and this just proves that there is a point at which the people get fed up with confiscation of their livelihoods.
You can't blame Bush for the next 4 years....can you?
The President sets policy and direction, and assembles a team to implement that policy. We now know that W didn't have the intellectual wherewithal or the intellectual curiosity to occupy that position.
What exactly do you mean by "these decisions"?
What I was saying is the Pres does not make decisions by himself, you can almost describe them as puppets.
Personally, I happen to think that the exchange of ideas is quite important in these times. We aren't going to all agree but perhaps we can glean insight and understanding into opposing viewpoints. This country is so incredibly divided right now.... this sort of discussion is valuable in that it can be instrumental in lessening that.
Not every thread that isn't all sweetness and light and stupid bs should be locked or moved.
Well it appears that even postings that are not about politics turn nasty anymore. We have those who want to interpret everything as if other posters are totally ignorant of what is said and then we have those that want to write books on a subject and go on and on and on and on and on. If every thread that wasn't all sweetness it appears a very large percent would be locked. What do you think Rance? You're the boss man here.
From my perspective I've seen a lot of political threads on many different forums and so far to me this forum and thread has been one of the most civilized I've seen. Everyone involved should take that as a compliment, I'm with Met, I enjoy these discussions as long as people take time to intelligently outline their rationale and respectfully disagree if it comes to that.
And there you go blaming this entire intricately complicated mess on one individual again which instantly discredits anything rational you may try to say. Obviously the bailouts started with Bush and most conservatives realize that and are mad as hell about it.
Absurd. It should have occurred to you the referencing GWB means the individual and his entire branch of government plus the like minded group that has had control of Congress for the past 8 years. It is not an individual I'm talking about... it's actually the block of idiots who elected those groups of people.
Indeed, on an individual basis I blame people like you!
In fact there are many, but you simply are denigrating those that don't believe the way you do and insinuating they have "not a lick of sense" if they don't kowtow to the almighty one and his 20 trillion dollar mistake over the next 4 years.
I am denigrating people who have put us in this spot due to stupidity and ideology, who vote for this type of thing again and again without concern for what happens as a result.
Here you are basically saying the policies that brought us to the current economic mess should be continued!
Personally I vote for the American people deciding how to spend the bailout money, in the form of tax cuts. It's not what warm fuzzy liberals want to hear cause heaven forbid someone that made a bad decision suffers and loses their mcmansion, but the government has never run anything well.
Actually, "the government" runs a lot of things very well. It doesn't do so well when we elect the likes of GWB, but that has been corrected and now it's time to make things work again.
Have any of you ever had to rely on the government for anything? Have any of you ever been on medicaid and experienced it first hand? I have had the fortunate experience. I say fortunate because it motivated me to get myself out of the situation I was in, change my path and pull myself up. I would not wish government run anything on even my worst enemy.
You haven't got even a smidgeon of a clue what the problems with medicaid are. (Incidentally, my daughter was appointed by HHS Secretary Michael Leavitt to serve on the President's Medicaid Commission in 2005 as the Alaska representative.)
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