What do Native Americans think about aerial wolf hunt? (Anchorage: buy, income)

[notreesininceland]

Originally Posted by Floyd_Davidson

Subsistence is food production.
Not a sport.

It is amusing to see how Americans weaned on supermarket packaged meat turn squeamish when they stop to think about how it got into that neat package in the first place.

Where I grew up, if you wanted to buy chicken, you went to the market, picked out the bird, have it slaughtered right before your eyes, and took the whole bloody mess home. Even today most of the non-Western world still lives like this.

[Floyd_Davidson]

Originally Posted by notreesininceland

Where I grew up, if you wanted to buy chicken, you went to the market, picked out the bird, have it slaughtered right before your eyes, and took the whole bloody mess home. Even today most of the non-Western world still lives like this.

Where I grew up it was even simpler! My dad would ask my mom if she wanted a frier or a boiler. A young rooster was fried chicken and an old hen that wasn't laying as many eggs any more would go into the stew pot. My dad would wait until after sundown, go to the chicken house and pick a chicken off the roost. An experienced chicken farmer can easily determine how many eggs a hen is about to produce in the next few days, and a not so productive hen is selected.

The chicken's neck is wrung or it's head was cut off, depending on the preference of the person preparing the bird. Then we would all help pluck and clean the chicken.

And it would be dinner tomorrow.

[starlite9]

This is a different twist that will upset the clueless left....

DefendersofWildFood.org

[starlite9]

Originally Posted by mongazid

Alaska's wolf man, and Shadows on the Koyukuk are a couple of books that talk about the boom-bust cycles that Marty talked about and the effects it has on native villages.
GOOD READS!!!

Very good book, my cabin is up by where he ran his trapline on the Toklat River and Totek Hills. Still lots of wolf in the area, this last week when I went out, there was a pack passing though and left tracks up my runway.

[notreesininceland]

Originally Posted by Floyd_Davidson

Where I grew up it was even simpler! My dad would ask my mom if she wanted a frier or a boiler. A young rooster was fried chicken and an old hen that wasn't laying as many eggs any more would go into the stew pot. My dad would wait until after sundown, go to the chicken house and pick a chicken off the roost.
The chicken's neck is wrung or it's head was cut off, depending on the preference of the person preparing the bird. Then we would all help pluck and clean the chicken.

And it would be dinner tomorrow.

What you describe would be the case in the villages. In the towns we had the outdoor markets. But no boiled or fried stuff for us. We do the real fiery thing. This is the signature dish of my home -

Chicken Xacuti - Wellsphere

[Marty Van Diest]

In the villages in Alaska they go out in the rivers, or bays and catch the fish. They go into the woods and shoot the moose, or caribou.

[notreesininceland]

Originally Posted by Marty Van Diest

In the villages in Alaska they go out in the rivers, or bays and catch the fish. They go into the woods and shoot the moose, or caribou.

Do you think Alaskans are unique in this? Do you think people elsewhere do not fish and hunt? There is a term for this kind of mindset (hint: the words 'frog' and 'well' are part of it).

[Grannysroost]

Originally Posted by Dusty Rhodes

Yeah, I have sorta suspected that the wolf notion of "if it ain't part of the pack, it's part of the food chain" mentality, that gets the wolf in trouble. Man, reserves that thought process for himself. I know that this time of year, my pack will get larger, my wife and I, our dogs and cats, one cockatiel, friends, and the Hummingbirds will be arriving in less than a month, they show up in our woods in great numbers, in the height of summer we will go through a liter of nectar (sugar water) a day, we protect these things, including shooting the crows that eat the baby Hummers. And, because we feed songbirds et al, by extention we feed squirrels and rabbits, and, by extention again this nesting pair of Red Shouldered Hawks that live in a very large Poplar tree down by our creek, that eat the squirrels, doves, and rabbits. Our pack grows a little larger each year, we just got a new puppy. (part beagle, terrier, polish pee hound, rhinoceros, cat, anteater, cookie monster, sneak thief, and cuddle bunny- I think that means "mutt") True to form, our male GSD is training the puppy on acceptable household behavior, he did the same for his daughter when she was a little puppy.

You are bringing hummers...bring them this way...so miss my hummers...our new puppy is GSD training older cockers to be chew...throw toys...not nice right now....our squirrels moved from one side of yard to the other, because cut down two of their trees...we are bad people....

[Grannysroost]

Originally Posted by notreesininceland

Do you think Alaskans are unique in this? Do you think people elsewhere do not fish and hunt? There is a term for this kind of mindset (hint: the words 'frog' and 'well' are part of it).

If you know people do this elsewhere...hunt, fish...you talk of chickens...no different, except way of life here with whatever food is in your end of the world if that is your 'prey' of choice whether domestic or wild...Alaska is vast, you cannot differentiate and inflict views in a specific area because of the vastness...life is as it is in the area you are in...you do as you need to ...don't judge...

[Marty Van Diest]

Originally Posted by notreesininceland

Do you think Alaskans are unique in this? Do you think people elsewhere do not fish and hunt? There is a term for this kind of mindset (hint: the words 'frog' and 'well' are part of it).

Yes, I agree that they do. But buying a live chicken at a market is not the same as hunting and fishing for wild game that may or may not be there for you.

It is definitely a step closer to reality than most in the US who buy their pre-packaged or even pre-cooked chicken strips at the local grocery.

I'm not judging you and I'm sorry you took offense. But I will not apologize for trying to point out the difference of a subsistence lifestyle in an arctic environment.

It's a whole new deal when you have to not only survive the frigid cold, but also hunt in the process. It's a completely different deal when you go out to check your nets and have to chop through 3 feet of ice just to see if your net is empty or not. It's a little different when you return to a moose kill for the rest of your meat only to be met by an angry grizzly who has claimed it for himself. Until you have fallen through the ice at -20 degrees by yourself while checking traps and have to survive the night with no shelter and soaking wet you will not know the type of life of an arctic subsistence hunter.

This is not understood by the polished actresses who pass judgment on the Alaskan people.

I no longer live that lifestyle, but I have lived it, and I know it. I will not apologize for explaining the difference.