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Old 05-17-2009, 11:30 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley, California
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Old 05-17-2009, 11:33 PM
 
Location: Haines, AK
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We gain about an inch per year. My grandpa used to be able to take his commercial fishing boat upto the airport. Now it is swamps, and a golf course
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Old 05-17-2009, 11:38 PM
 
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Guess you'd better get up here with your camera fast before they're gone!
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Old 05-18-2009, 01:20 AM
 
Location: Silicon Valley, California
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Guess you'd better get up here with your camera fast before they're gone!
It is no longer a question of 'if,' simply a matter of 'when.'
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Old 05-18-2009, 05:08 PM
 
Location: Over the Rainbow...
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It is no longer a question of 'if,' simply a matter of 'when.'
Kind of like "when" California falls into the ocean ? I think time will tell what Mother Nature has in mind.

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Old 05-18-2009, 06:35 PM
 
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Where's Floyd to obfuscate this thread?
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Old 05-18-2009, 10:39 PM
 
Location: Homer Ak.
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Another change in direction here. I thought sea levels were supposed to rise from the increased melting of the ice caps? Okay so if you had a heavy glacier you rise because the land is now lighter but if you dont have a glacier you sink because the oceans getting higher. Makes sense to me. Or just maybe they have only been keeping records of temps for 150 years out of millions and we really dont know what the optimum temps are supposed to be. In our arrogance we assume its what we have now and we must be the ones changing it and the last few cooler years are a blip.
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Old 05-18-2009, 10:58 PM
 
Location: Interior alaska
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I get such a kick out of this stuff. Glaciers have been growing and receding for eons, and now in the last twenty years the "Experts" say we are all doomed... If we are, so what... I think it would be better spent enjoying life instead of running around with our hands in the air.

Forty years ago, in school they were teaching it was going to an oncoming ice age, but it didn't show up.

About some 25,000 years ago the Great Lakes were under a Glacier's sheet of ice, then it melted... again, so what. It made for a neat fishing spot...

We have dozens of volcano's going to blow here in Alaska just about all the time in the course of the big picture of time, and any one of them can put more crap into the air in a day than all of what mankind can do in decades. It would blot out the sun and lower the planet's temp a couple of degrees to where a new ice age could kick in.... so what... The sunsets will be a really pretty red...

A Meteor could come crashing out of the night sky and extinct us all like the dinosaurs... so what... It may be the cockroaches turn to rule the earth, heaven knows they have already been waiting for millions of years...

We are going to die in due time, and then what... who knows

Having said that, you don't dump your garbage over your fence into the neighbor's yard (well most of the time) and expect to have a clean street...

Basically for those dancing around with both hands in the air screaming the "Glaciers are melting, the Glaciers are melting"... put your hands down and into your pockets, take a deep breath and enjoy the time you have on the planet...

I think the bigger picture is that while everyone is standing on the mountain looking at the sky for answers, the guys that want to kill us for them to get to heaven, are going to sneak in down in the valley with a nuke and get their virgins...

You aren't getting off here alive. I am though, I have been in contact with Aliens and they are going to beam me up.... tough luck for the rest of you...
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Old 05-18-2009, 11:03 PM
 
Location: Interior alaska
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Where's Floyd to obfuscate this thread?
He'll be along shortly....
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Old 05-19-2009, 02:54 AM
 
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maybe they have only been keeping records of temps for 150 years out of millions and we really dont know what the optimum temps are supposed to be. In our arrogance we assume its what we have now and we must be the ones changing it and the last few cooler years are a blip.
This kind of thinking misses the point. Even though they don't publicly admit it, Al Gore and the rest of the sustainability movement are about preserving the planet so it's fit for human life. What they're asking is... How can we continue to live technologically advanced lives in a way so that our kids will survive, and we don't have to put too many restrictions in place - like population control? They want cars, computers and ipods, but would also like to ensure the survival of our species. This is also the sole purpose of the EPA. It's not about the environment, exactly. For that, you'd have to look to deep ecology. We can let people continue to pollute, burn coal and use gasoline for transportation. The Earth will be fine... human kind will die. We'll just keep plugging away until there are all out wars over something like water.

People can sit around debating about what's causing it and how it all started, but it's still happening! We have enough knowledge to know how to mitigate it though.............
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