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[Las Vegan Cajun]

Originally Posted by lostlife

or you could get the 300 grain 50cal desert eagle that more powerful then a 44mag

If you want to drop a grizzley in its tracks check out the .50 cal BMG. This baby is the next best thing to owning a cannon.

http://www.angelfire.com/co/50cal

This cannon will send a 765 gr slug down the pipe at 2878 fps. That enough to drop King Kong in his tracks.

[rotorhead]

My amount of time in the AK woods has been pretty limited, but from what I've heard from those in the know the single most useful defence against bears (and moose for that matter) is....the U-turn!

If you're getting that "creeped out, somethings in there" feeling on the next patch of trail...don't walk down it. Your caveman instincts are trying to tell you something, humans haven't always been on the top of the food chain after all. If something's crunching around down there in the thick brush, you're well advised to find somewhere else to be with better sightlines. The very last thing you want to do regardless of how well you're armed is to encounter a big critter at arms length.

Considering my short stay up there, I saw more than my share of mangled peoplemeat due to bear. It was all job related, the place I used to work was the go-to agency for dealing with that sort of misfortune. Sometimes it's just being in the wrong place in the wrong time. One guy I hauled got mauled right in the parking lot at the Russian River Ferry outside Coopers Landing; cars all around him, probably the single most heavily fished spot in the whole state. That momma griz was royally pissed off and on a rampage, took him out so fast he said he'd never even have had a chance to draw a pistol (yes, he lived through it, minus the top half of his face). A hungry bear can catch a quarterhorse from a standing start is what I hear.

The folks with the most actual, in-the-field experience with bears are the Game&Fish guys both in AK and Canada, and they recommend the bear-size pepper spray as the second line of defense, the first being common sense. When the time comes to permanently deal with a problem moose or bear, the 12ga. comes out of their trucks. You actually see folks fishing in some places with a pistol-grip Mossberg slung over their backs, but the only guy I've talked to who thought he'd have to use his found it leaning against a tree on the far side of the bear...oops. The bear let him keep it, but it cost him a cooler full of lunch and all his salmon....pretty good deal by anyones book.

BTW, the right leg tool pocket on a pair of Carharts dungarees holds a big can of bear spray like its meant just for that purpose. One of those cans was our constant companion on walks, even if just in the neighborhood.

[AKMammabear]

We have one of those Mossbergs for the Russian. Bought it just for that, especially down by the powerlines. Since we started avoiding the combat fishing and opted for the boat instead, we now keep it for a big halibut... Must say, it does waste a lot of good meat if you do not put the muzzle against the fish!

[Rainy]

now thats what i am looking for a moose in my yard instead of a dead beat punk in my yard trying to steal my car like here were i live and they are a problem all year long here ( dead beat punks) lol. thats the life sit in my chair watching the game drinking a beer and just relaxing while a moose checks out my yard man i cant wait to get there i grew up in the country the nearest town was 7-10 miles away we did not even have a store for 5 miles and i loved it. the only thing I think we will have to get use to is getting house goods in bulk so we have what we need just incase we get snowed in what do you say keep on hand a months worth of food and house goods at a time or more how many weeks of food do you keep in the house in the dead of winter

that all depends on where you live; last winter I was about 90 miles from a grocery store. Although it snowed a lot, I never got snowed in--they keep the Parks Highway pretty well maintained as well as the borough road I lived off of. Still going to town wasn't something I wanted to do often. It never hurts to be well stocked up so I'd suggest loading up your truck with everything you can fit in it when you go to town---the easier you can make it on yourself that way the better, especially with a family, even if you do live pretty close to stores. There are some services where you can order in bulk through the mail also; but since I was by myself up there I didn't use them.

[rotorhead]

Hey AKmommabear, you're gonna have to get a .410 bore. One of those "brownshirt troopers" sees you using a 12ga. on halibut, he'll cite you for wasting meat!

[Rance]

Ok here's the gist...a 12 gauge with alternating slugs to double ought is the ticket. You have to have some spread as well as punch in a charge situation. You can pack rifles and pistols all day long...but unles you've ever been charged and know what it's like...a fine shooting firearm hasless chance of hitting than the spread of a shotgun. Face to face with a charging grizz is like nothing else on the planet.

[lostlife]

Originally Posted by Las Vegan Cajun

If you want to drop a grizzley in its tracks check out the .50 cal BMG. This baby is the next best thing to owning a cannon.

http://www.angelfire.com/co/50cal

This cannon will send a 765 gr slug down the pipe at 2878 fps. That enough to drop King Kong in his tracks.

holy crap did you see the bullet is 3x bigger than a 30 06 wow i am impressed that thing must cost a fortune 700 grain bullet that would cut a man in half. I think a shotgun a great idea also but a 45-70 hand gun only weighs 4pounds and has 5 shots at 400 grains a shot thats ( 2000 grains ) that you could unload in under 3 seconds and there is no possibliy of the gun jamming those 45-70 bullets have 2x the grains that a 30 06 has. I doubt i will ever have to use it except for hunting but if i do i will have faith in it

[DannyL]

Originally Posted by lostlife

holy crap did you see the bullet is 3x bigger than a 30 06 wow i am impressed that thing must cost a fortune 700 grain bullet that would cut a man in half. I think a shotgun a great idea also but a 45-70 hand gun only weighs 4pounds and has 5 shots at 400 grains a shot thats ( 2000 grains ) that you could unload in under 3 seconds and there is no possibliy of the gun jamming those 45-70 bullets have 2x the grains that a 30 06 has. I doubt i will ever have to use it except for hunting but if i do i will have faith in it

I'm totally speechless here.........

[rotorhead]

I think the point that a lot of people are (perhaps too subtly) trying to get across is that by the time you've resorted to using a firearm in a bear encounter, you've already missed your best opportunities to avoid being mauled or eaten.

No matter how deadly your weapon is, you've got to have time to aim and fire. The one thing that you hear over and over from folks that have been attacked is "it happened SO FAST". Bears may look pudgy and round, but they move like greased lightning. They're way, way faster than you are, faster than you've ever imagined. They're also incredibly quiet moving through the woods, most bear hunters speak in terms of their quarry "just appearing" out of nowhere without a sound. The most accurate and powerful rifle in the world doesn't do you a bit of good strapped to your back when you encounter an angry bear at close range, you'll still be trying to get it unslung when he's on you.

Now as to the practicality of a rifle in .50 Browning for bear control, I'm sure it'd do the trick. Of course they also run at least 35 pounds and cost somewhere around $7000, but if you're up to it I say go for it. Very rugged of you.

[Rainy]

I think the point that a lot of people are (perhaps too subtly) trying to get across is that by the time you've resorted to using a firearm in a bear encounter, you've already missed your best opportunities to avoid being mauled or eaten.

Thank you; that was the point exactly.