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Old 07-13-2009, 08:30 PM
 
Location: Barrow, Alaska
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Hmmmmmmmmmmmm....I did have to rep you on that.
We might note too that the significance is the difference between those who view themselves and their legacy as transient, and those who do not. I have no doubt that my grandchildren's children will live in Alaska; hence what I do to Alaska is important.

For those who live in Texas or Vermont or Montana, and who see no future that relates to them in Alaska, nothing here is important unless it converts to instant pleasure or dollar bills.

 
Old 07-13-2009, 08:39 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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There are a lot of real hypocrites in Alaska, but they aren't these so called "environmentalists".

People who come to Alaska to enjoy the wilderness, the natural beauty, and everything else that actually is the "environment" here... and then want to allow everything and anything that will make them a buck even if it destroys the very environment that brought them here.

That is hypocrisy.

On the other hand, carefully trying to leave the same wonderful environment to our grandchildren so that their children can enjoy it too is the most appropriate perspective!
Actually many of these "environmentalists" are just that. Hypocrites. The sierra club is probably one of the worst bunch of them, along with all the animal rights groups. Many of them rake in the cash using emotional, overblown appeals for donations. PETA is a good example of that. Some of them are just nuts, like the ones that want over 90 percent of the people exterminated (but not them, of course). The environmental movement was long ago hijacked by hypocrites, greedy capitalists and nuts with their own agendas.

The environment is quite important, but conservation needs to be based on sound science not someone's emotions or some elitists' desire for a playground. And there does need to be a balance between development and non-development. Extremes are not really good.
 
Old 07-13-2009, 08:50 PM
 
Location: Casa Grande, AZ
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One of them recently wrote a letter to the editor in the local rag because some trees were being taken down near some powerlines because of problems with lines always getting damaged by them. They called it a massacre, called for a total ban on killing trees, said it was causing global warming because they had a couple pieces of equipment there to do it...insane!
Regardless, wherever you live, (if adjacent to the power line) the power companies have a right-of-way to come in and trim trees, repair lines, etc...not going to get away from that one, and Sierra or others don't have a prayer on that one...we had a fire start with a power outage a few weeks ago due to a dead tree fall on the powerline that was not trimmed...we have a line going through by our house....not even close to protecting the line....

Last edited by Grannysroost; 07-13-2009 at 08:51 PM.. Reason: Other than the minimal with branches not touching...now count the brush and dead trees...
 
Old 07-13-2009, 09:46 PM
 
Location: Interior alaska
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We might note too that the significance is the difference between those who view themselves and their legacy as transient, and those who do not. I have no doubt that my grandchildren's children will live in Alaska; hence what I do to Alaska is important.

For those who live in Texas or Vermont or Montana, and who see no future that relates to them in Alaska, nothing here is important unless it converts to instant pleasure or dollar bills.

Uh, that would be about 95% of the drive behind global warming, the money. It is happening because it is going to happen whether we are here or not, but guys like Gore are making millions off of it, maybe even billions.

Right now our "natural" forest fires are putting more particulates into the air than all the major U.S. cities combined.
 
Old 07-13-2009, 09:55 PM
 
Location: Barrow, Alaska
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Actually many of these "environmentalists" are just that. Hypocrites. The sierra club is probably one of the worst bunch of them, along with all the animal rights groups. Many of them rake in the cash using emotional, overblown appeals for donations. PETA is a good example of that. Some of them are just nuts, like the ones that want over 90 percent of the people exterminated (but not them, of course). The environmental movement was long ago hijacked by hypocrites, greedy capitalists and nuts with their own agendas.
PETA. Sea Shepherd, Sierra Club and Greenpeace are NOT environmentalists. They are all fund raising scams.

There is no point in trying to connect them to the environmentalist in Alaska. They are not the same.

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The environment is quite important, but conservation needs to be based on sound science not someone's emotions or some elitists' desire for a playground. And there does need to be a balance between development and non-development. Extremes are not really good.
And that is exactly what "environmentalism" is all about.
 
Old 07-13-2009, 11:33 PM
 
Location: Fairbanks Alaska
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Sweden here is one based in Fairbanks and looks to here and the northern slope.
Northern Alaska Environmental Center
 
Old 07-14-2009, 12:54 AM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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When a Sierra Club member stops using toilet paper, that will be the day when I might not think they're hypocrites.
Speaking of environmental hypocrites, remember when Greenpeace sailed into Alaska waters and violated our Environmental Law? All vessels over 400 gross tons must file a spill contingency plan with the State, and get approval BEFORE entering State waters. Greenpeace ignored our law and got busted. Next time we keep their boat, permanently.

Nothing kills a "noble" cause quicker than hypocrisy.
 
Old 07-14-2009, 03:14 AM
 
Location: Barrow, Alaska
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Uh, that would be about 95% of the drive behind global warming, the money. It is happening because it is going to happen whether we are here or not, but guys like Gore are making millions off of it, maybe even billions.
You are in denial.

The fact that global warming is happening is now far beyond any doubt. It is. The cause of it of course can't be pinned down without question... but we have dozens of scientist spending millions of dollars on research here in Barrow, and near as I can tell every single one of them fully believes that human activities are the cause for accelleration of the the warming. That is, it has been in a cycle for hundreds of thousands of years, and has now broken out of that cycle and is warmer and has changed faster than what has been the norm. And the reason for that is human activity.

Of course lots of bone heads deny that, but they are bone heads!
 
Old 07-14-2009, 06:49 AM
 
Location: The Woods
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You are in denial.

The fact that global warming is happening is now far beyond any doubt. It is. The cause of it of course can't be pinned down without question... but we have dozens of scientist spending millions of dollars on research here in Barrow, and near as I can tell every single one of them fully believes that human activities are the cause for accelleration of the the warming. That is, it has been in a cycle for hundreds of thousands of years, and has now broken out of that cycle and is warmer and has changed faster than what has been the norm. And the reason for that is human activity.

Of course lots of bone heads deny that, but they are bone heads!
No, the recent warm years were the peak right before the sharp drop into global cooling. Just like the Little Ice Age right after the Medievel Warm Period...
 
Old 07-14-2009, 07:23 AM
 
Location: Barrow, Alaska
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No, the recent warm years were the peak right before the sharp drop into global cooling. Just like the Little Ice Age right after the Medievel Warm Period...
You need to hurry up and get over here to the Barrow Arctic Science Consortium and let all these scientists know about that.
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