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Old 01-14-2010, 01:31 PM
 
Location: Southeast Alaska
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Met....Maurice isn't telling ya all he knows

He's a retired astronaut...bet ya didn't know that did ya
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Old 01-14-2010, 01:43 PM
 
Location: Naptowne, Alaska
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I'd eat my buddies in a blizzard! Anyone read that book "The Road" yet? Pretty much based along the scenario of the topic here. It's an easy read and one I couldn't put down until finished. It's also a movie now. But pretty much the country is a wasteland from one end to the other. A few bands of freaks that eat anything they can get their hands on including humans.
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Old 01-14-2010, 04:10 PM
 
Location: Interior alaska
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I think it's common to look at this type of scenario from the wrong perspective. We tend to think of how we, as individuals or families, could survive off of our land or surroundings as they currently exist. However, in a true WTSHTF scenario, nothing will be as it is now. It will be a complete every-man-for-himself free for all where private property rights and boundaries will no longer mean squat, unless enforced at gunpoint.

For example, I often hear hunters brag about how they could sustain themselves indefinitely off the land, or farmers boast about sustainable living. But just think of the consequences of 300+ million people forced to live subsistence lifestyle. It's likely the lower 48 would be stripped clean of all edible plant and animal life (particularly large game animals) within a few weeks or months. There will be nothing left to hunt or farm. Even the relative abundance of Alaska would likely be overrun in short order with 700,000+ hungry mouths to feed.

I still believe the only real commodities worth having in a true meldowwn scenario are copper and lead (ammo), and the personal resolve to use them.
Yep, when "Stuff hits the fan", the cities would drain out and people would be like Locus across the land, if there was a road to it or easy access, it would be gone.

The ability to be self sustaining will be for not if you aren't part of an armed comunity that can protect what they have or you live so far off the beaten trail that even God can't find you.

In the event that the Shipments by ship were interupted to Anchorage, the stores would be picked clean in a matter of days once word got out that there were issues with resupply.

Yeah, living off the wildlife is a posibilty if you were out away from the road system, because everyone else would be shooting anything that moved off the road ways. Some of the towns on the road system may blow bridges like in Healy over the Nenana River to stop the Anchorage traffic from coming North as well as the bridge from Fairbanks. That would effectively give them the National park to get wildlife from without the masses.

Towns in Southeast Alaska because of their isolation, could do better since food from the sea is a bit easier to access, but without fuel, even that will become and issue, sails would have to be used and the art of sailing will need to be relearned for a lot of the fishermen. Since they have no roads, those the show up will do so from places like Seattle by their own boats and I would doubt they would be very welcomed in those areas unless they can prove they have a service the comunity needs like being a doctor or the like.

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Old 01-14-2010, 04:16 PM
 
Location: N of citrus, S of decent corn
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We definitely have all the raw materials, but none of the skills. We have 16 acres, a pond, woods and fields, so could grow crops, hunt deer and fish, and have plenty of firewood. We stink at manual labor, but I suppose survival is a huge motivator.
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Old 01-14-2010, 04:39 PM
 
Location: Dangling from a mooses antlers
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Truth hurts doesn't it stiffer... git used to it as its headed your way big time

Knew a miserable dick like you in Haines...sure you remember him, Ike Lorentz
He did far more for Alaska then you'll ever dream of doing.
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Old 01-14-2010, 05:01 PM
 
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That book sounds pretty interesting; I'll have to look for in on Powell's online.

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The ability to be self sustaining will be for not if you aren't part of an armed comunity that can protect what they have or you live so far off the beaten trail that even God can't find you.
One thing we'd have to be aware of in SE is that since we are relatively inaccessible, the people who did eventually find us would be different than the average Anchoragite et al; they'd most likely be members of the seine fleet; I think they'd be welcomed. There aren't so many of them that they'd be a burden, and they're strong people.
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Old 01-14-2010, 05:18 PM
 
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see three types of approaches to the situation: parasite, isolationist, and small community.
There is probably a fourth possibility that hasn't been mentioned yet either. Once the apocalypse scenario hits, whatever remants of authority/government would likely try to establish some type of martial law, undoubtedly proclaiming any and all resources owned by private individuals as "state property" and subject to confiscation for the "greater good". Large, self-sufficient communities would be easy prey in such a situation.
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Old 01-14-2010, 05:29 PM
 
Location: AK
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true, they could be...but only if it were economical!
(i.e. if the community is remote enough to be such a pain to exploit/push around, they might not even bother...)
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Old 01-14-2010, 05:32 PM
 
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yea, how big could you get without popping up on someone's radar?
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Old 01-14-2010, 05:37 PM
 
Location: AK
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oh, not very big. i'd just like to think that if you're the right size in the right place, they might just leave you alone. alaska definitely offers the best chances for that...

then there's another issue: if there's a SHTF situation and alaska attempted independence, do you think the mainland would try to keep it, or focus on problems closer to home? would their resources already be stretched so thin as to make it less feasible?
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