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Unread 06-22-2010, 09:48 AM
 
Location: New Mexico to Texas
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Default ABQ mayor heading in the right direction

City's new immigration policy detains foreign suspects

sorry to inform you ILLEGAL rights supporters than criminals are off your streets, I starting to think that they like the criminal element cause it adds diversity,and thats not a racial thing either.
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Unread 06-22-2010, 10:25 AM
 
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I don't get your point. A violent criminal is a violent criminal whether they are a citizen or non-citizen, here legally or illegally. The policy is a red herring. Critics say it diverts resources away from activities that do combat major crimes. OK, it's illegal to be here illegally, and it's illegal to go through a stop sign without coming to a full stop, but everyone does it. I'm more concerned about violent crime, and there is no correlation between illegal immigration and violent crime. Crime has been on the decline all over the country.
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Unread 06-22-2010, 11:36 AM
 
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City's new immigration policy detains foreign suspects

sorry to inform you ILLEGAL rights supporters than criminals are off your streets, I starting to think that they like the criminal element cause it adds diversity,and thats not a racial thing either.
From the link:

"Since the policy went into effect, officials say federal agents have put temporary holds on 63 suspects, including a suspected drug dealer and an accused attempted murderer.

Public Safety Director Darren White says that’s proof the policy is working. “If they were put back on the streets, they would be committing crimes,” said White."

And herein lies the biggest problem I have with this. If these people are criminals, then they should be in jail, period, end of story, illegal or no. Is the public safety director saying that if these people were legal, they would be out of jail despite being arrested on suspicion of murder or drug dealing?

If so, then we have a bigger problem than just illegal immigration, though, I guess it is easier to blame the issues on illegals alone rather than try to address the home-grown problems inherent in our court system, etc.
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Unread 06-22-2010, 11:50 AM
 
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I don't get your point. A violent criminal is a violent criminal whether they are a citizen or non-citizen, here legally or illegally. The policy is a red herring. Critics say it diverts resources away from activities that do combat major crimes. OK, it's illegal to be here illegally, and it's illegal to go through a stop sign without coming to a full stop, but everyone does it. I'm more concerned about violent crime, and there is no correlation between illegal immigration and violent crime. Crime has been on the decline all over the country.

I dont think you get any point! Im beginning to think that some people have their judgement so coulded up that they cant see strait. If those 60 sum people are criminals and do get sent back to wherever they do come from, then that is 60 sum criminals off of the streets and out of the state, is that not a good thing. If not then maybe you should welcome all 60+ people to your neighborhood.

I think some people on this forum have the mentality that "there are already drug dealers here, so why not let the illegal immigrants come in and sell drugs too". Its no wonder why nothing changes.
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Unread 06-22-2010, 11:50 AM
 
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Critics say it diverts resources away from activities that do combat major crimes.
WHAT??

What and whose resources are diverted?

All detainee's are screened by US Immigration and Customs enforcement officers not police officers.
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Unread 06-22-2010, 11:53 AM
 
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From the link:

"Since the policy went into effect, officials say federal agents have put temporary holds on 63 suspects, including a suspected drug dealer and an accused attempted murderer.

Public Safety Director Darren White says that’s proof the policy is working. “If they were put back on the streets, they would be committing crimes,” said White."

And herein lies the biggest problem I have with this. If these people are criminals, then they should be in jail, period, end of story, illegal or no. Is the public safety director saying that if these people were legal, they would be out of jail despite being arrested on suspicion of murder or drug dealing?

If so, then we have a bigger problem than just illegal immigration, though, I guess it is easier to blame the issues on illegals alone rather than try to address the home-grown problems inherent in our court system, etc.

of course the problem is home grown, and through years of leadership under Chavez and Richardson, nothing gets done, they love the criminal element, we gotta have the diversity, but since we do have our locally home grown problem, do we really need people who are here illegally committing illegal crimes adding to the crime rate, its 2 crimes in one.
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Unread 06-22-2010, 12:24 PM
 
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of course the problem is home grown, and through years of leadership under Chavez and Richardson, nothing gets done,
The problem goes much further back than Mayor Chavez and and Governor Richardson, and they are not at fault of the crimes of the 70's, 80's and 90's etc.


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Unread 06-22-2010, 01:05 PM
 
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I don't get your point. A violent criminal is a violent criminal whether they are a citizen or non-citizen, here legally or illegally. The policy is a red herring. Critics say it diverts resources away from activities that do combat major crimes. OK, it's illegal to be here illegally, and it's illegal to go through a stop sign without coming to a full stop, but everyone does it. I'm more concerned about violent crime, and there is no correlation between illegal immigration and violent crime. Crime has been on the decline all over the country.
There is a big difference between not coming to a complete stop at a stop sign and living in a country illegally. You know that!!!

Nita
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Unread 06-22-2010, 02:02 PM
 
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If those 60 sum people are criminals and do get sent back to wherever they do come from, then that is 60 sum criminals off of the streets and out of the state, is that not a good thing. If not then maybe you should welcome all 60+ people to your neighborhood.
If they got here illegally, don't you think they'll come back after they "get sent back to wherever they do come from"? Of course they will, again and again. I don't want to waste money on that. It's a joke and does not make anyone "safer." I repeat: violent crime is down all over the country.
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Unread 06-22-2010, 02:58 PM
 
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If they got here illegally, don't you think they'll come back after they "get sent back to wherever they do come from"? Of course they will, again and again. I don't want to waste money on that. It's a joke and does not make anyone "safer." I repeat: violent crime is down all over the country.

yes, before strict laws were in place, illegals would come across, commit crimes, get sent back, and come back to the US and try it all again, but as we see with AZ's new law, the illegals are already leaving the state, so it must be working, they dont want to be in AZ anymore, if ABQ keeps this up, maybe we can say the same.

by your logical thinking, we might as well let drug dealers sell dope to little kids ,it does happen, if we bust them, they will go to jail, get out then do it again, so we should just stop arresting drug dealers and let them sell their dope.

or if we arrest child molesters, they will get out and molest someone else, so might as well let them be, is that it, Im not putting you down, but it is cowardly thinking.

and its good that crime is down in some places, in some places it is up, so should we just let everyone be, because crime is down in some areas, 1 rape is 1 rape too many.

Last edited by desert sun; 06-22-2010 at 03:07 PM..
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