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Old 02-06-2011, 01:06 PM
 
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This really deserves its own thread because we're not talking about gas supply so much any more.
Agreed.
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Old 02-06-2011, 01:16 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque
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... 7.8% ≠ infinitesimal.
oops. That's impressive.
Thanks for making me look.
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Originally Posted by Zoidberg
... have to drop below 0.1% to make infinitesimal, ...
I would call 3-4% or below infinitesimal, but that's really a personal call.

If I get a pay raise of 3%, I'm gonna call it infinitesimal.
If I get a dividend yield of 3%, the stock better have some capital gain potential.

In any case, TX is not just "a leading producer" as I stated, but #1 in the U.S.

As a stand-alone country is would be ranked only behind these:
( capacity )

China ........ 41.8
US ............ 40.2
Germany .... 27.2
Spain ........ 20.7
India ......... 13.1
Texas ........ 9.5 ( bigger than #3 + #4 + #5 states )
Italy .......... 5.8

Therefore, electricity production from wind energy didn't seem to help with the gas delivery issues last week.

I'll be interested in the post-mortem for why the whole town of Taos and other had to suffer so much when they didn't have to.

Once their gas comes back on, they will have a plumbing nightmare. Who knows how many pipes that didn't burst were still weakened and will be bursting very soon from this(?)

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Old 02-07-2011, 09:52 AM
 
Location: Abu Al-Qurq
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Once their gas comes back on, they will have a plumbing nightmare. Who knows how many pipes that didn't burst were still weakened and will be bursting very soon from this(?)
That's not something to dread so much as a business opportunity. Want to both learn to be plumbers and go to Taos? Ok, you first.
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Old 02-07-2011, 06:27 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque
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Originally Posted by Zoidberg
Want to both learn to be plumbers ...
I've been practicing my "plumber's squat," but every time I think I have
it right, I quickly turn around and check for the proper crack and it's gone!
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Old 02-07-2011, 07:28 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque
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oops. That's impressive.
Thanks for making me look.
I would call 3-4% or below infinitesimal, but that's really a personal call.

If I get a pay raise of 3%, I'm gonna call it infinitesimal.
If I get a dividend yield of 3%, the stock better have some capital gain potential.

In any case, TX is not just "a leading producer" as I stated, but #1 in the U.S.

As a stand-alone country is would be ranked only behind these:
( capacity )

China ........ 41.8
US ............ 40.2
Germany .... 27.2
Spain ........ 20.7
India ......... 13.1
Texas ........ 9.5 ( bigger than #3 + #4 + #5 states )
Italy .......... 5.8

Therefore, electricity production from wind energy didn't seem to help with the gas delivery issues last week.

I'll be interested in the post-mortem for why the whole town of Taos and other had to suffer so much when they didn't have to.

Once their gas comes back on, they will have a plumbing nightmare. Who knows how many pipes that didn't burst were still weakened and will be bursting very soon from this(?)
What about California? Where do they stand? Just curious.
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Old 02-07-2011, 07:30 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque
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The rolling blackouts occured for a day. Because of the lack of natural gas in NM homes. APS shutdown its gas and school. Now the pipes are breaking how much did that save APS?
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Old 02-08-2011, 11:07 AM
 
Location: Albuquerque
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What about California? Where do they stand? Just curious.
In the year 2000:

CA = 1616 MW
TX = 154

Currently

CA = 2739 MW
TX = 9727

With a big lead, CA blew it. ( "Blew" it! Get it! I crack myself up sometimes! )

U.S. Installed Wind Capacity
There is a real nice animated graphic there that shows you the
progression of installed capacity by state for every year since 2000.

For most states, installed capacity as a percent of use is irrelevant, but
between TX and CA, I think it is - since both are capable of 100%.

On a per-capita basis ( which also is irrelevant ) NM exceeds CA also, but CO kicks our butt.

#2 state is IA > 3,000.

I haven't been keeping up with these stats so I'm glad Zoidberg gave me that little shove.

We can all use ( wind ) electrically-powered space heaters ( to prevent our pipes from bursting )
while we are waiting to have NM Gas turn back on the fuel source for our furnaces.

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Old 02-08-2011, 11:28 AM
 
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This is more wind than gas, but it bears mention that a state with 100% of its electrical needs supplied by wind would need additional sources of power. The wind doesn't always blow (and it especially doesn't blow during the grid-stretching summer afternoons).

I think the maximum number wind can ever realistically provide is about 20%, with possible exceptions for maritime or arctic climes.

NM may be able to exceed that, as our wind resources are among the best on the WSCC (western) power grid, and we're already exporting most of our wind power to Arizona.

All this will change once someone figures out how to cost-effectively store and release wind energy.

I'd think wind-powered electric heat would be a much better fit than solar-powered electric heat, as replacements for gas heat, but both would be lousy at times.
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Old 02-08-2011, 12:44 PM
 
Location: Bernalillo, NM
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With a big lead, CA blew it.
TX has the advantages of a lot more empty space in which to install wind farms and (most important) a lot more wind...I think, although I haven't seen any actual stats about this. As you pointed out CA had an early lead in wind generation but not much you can do if you don't have the land and the wind.
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Old 02-08-2011, 02:49 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque
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... state with 100% of its electrical needs supplied by wind would
need additional sources of power. The wind doesn't always blow ...
It always blows somewhere and grid improvements can help with that.

In any case, having another source is going to be necessary and that
might be a fossil fuel source. Again, grid improvements can help in
that it's cheaper/cleaner to have one coal/gas power plant that can
send power to five different states and one plant in each state.

Grid improvments might have//could have helped with the gas supply
shut down that NM just experienced. Instead of having a crucial thing
like pumping stations shut down, they could have just switched sources.

Therefore, there are qualitative aspects to improving the grid over and
above just transfering power from far-flung windmills and solar panels.
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