Crime and Underclass in Albuquerque (Socorro: high crime, home, school)

[NMHacker]

Originally Posted by aries63

Are you saying any neighborhood that is not perceived as being "as good" as a "good part" of the city is a "Warzone"?

Afghanistan is a war zone.

There is an area that is called the 'war zone' by local residents. You know exactly where that is. It is called the 'International District' officially now.

The 'war zone' is obviously not an official name by any entity in the city/state though the moniker has been around for a very long time. Great strides have been made in this area but it does have a long way to go.

[Guitarplr]

Originally Posted by nmhacker

there is an area that is called the 'war zone' by local residents. You know exactly where that is. It is called the 'international district' officially now.

The 'war zone' is obviously not an official name by any entity in the city/state though the moniker has been around for a very long time. Great strides have been made in this area but it does have a long way to go.

exactly!!!!!

[CoreLysium]

Originally Posted by NMHacker

There is an area that is called the 'war zone' by local residents. You know exactly where that is. It is called the 'International District' officially now.

This.

I will call it the International District from now on. That, however, doesn't emphasize the crime and cops-don't-wanna-go-there nature of the place. Dead bodies in the street can wait til morning, ya know.

SE and NE of the city are a _little_ different.

[Poncho_NM]

Originally Posted by CoreLysium

That, however, doesn't emphasize the crime and cops-don't-wanna-go-there nature of the place.

Just not true... You have some real verifiable examples?

Originally Posted by CoreLysium

Dead bodies in the street can wait til morning, ya know.

And you've been there, and you have seen this? And a verifiable example is?

[aries63]

Originally Posted by NMHacker

There is an area that is called the 'war zone' by local residents. You know exactly where that is. It is called the 'International District' officially now.

Of course there is, and of course you know what I'm getting at, too. The "war zone" label was and is exaggerated, is outdated, and not fair to the residents of the area, most of whom are regular, hard-working folks like anywhere else. Some people I guess need to feel good about themselves by using slurs against somebody else's neighborhood. It comes from being insecure.

As for SE and NE being a little "different", how? Some neighborhoods in the SE are nicer than some neighborhoods in the NE (this is a question for CoreLysium).

[aries63]

Originally Posted by CoreLysium

Wasn't this in the news like last month? I'm not looking it up for you.

Quit being so aggressive. Let's all have fun here. Do you, like, live on Central there or something? I'm not insulting you, in fact, if you live in the International District, that's totally cool with me. There are plenty of the working poor stuck in that area, who, I feel, deserve better.

Edited to add: How'd you get 9000+ posts and haven't seen any like the ones listed below in the suggestions? Serious.

Here's the most recent homicide map I can find, from 2009:

Albuquerque Homicide Map

Just quickly counting up the locations of the homicides, I come up with the following numbers per quadrant using Central as the N/S dividing line

NE: 14
NW: 7
SW: 9
SE: 5

Yep, SE sure looks like a "warzone" to me, mmmhmm.... That's why hearsay (or, "heresy" according to you) never stands up in court. So, if you please, stop "having fun" by spreading lies. Who's "being aggressive"?

[NMHacker]

Originally Posted by aries63

Here's the most recent homicide map I can find, from 2009:

Albuquerque Homicide Map

Just quickly counting up the locations of the homicides, I come up with the following numbers per quadrant using Central as the N/S dividing line

NE: 14
NW: 7
SW: 9
SE: 5

Yep, SE sure looks like a "warzone" to me, mmmhmm.... That's why hearsay (or, "heresy" according to you) never stands up in court. So, if you please, stop "having fun" by spreading lies. Who's "being aggressive"?

You know what they say about statistics, right?

Anyway, by looking at that map, what most people consider the 'war zone' had the most murders in 2009. 4 from what I can see.

Anyhow, unfortunately the International District aka the 'war zone' still has its problems. Are you denying that?

Don't get me wrong, I spend time in that area. It doesn't really bother me and I'm not going to drive out of my way to not go through that area. But, we as a community should still be looking for ways to get that area cleaned up, as well as others. And not deny that there definitively issues with crime in that area. I glance at the Journals crime map a few times a week and you always see a cluster of activity around the International District and Downtown. Both of which need to be concentrated on for policing.

[CoreLysium]

Originally Posted by aries63

That's why hearsay (or, "heresy" according to you) never stands up in court. So, if you please, stop "having fun" by spreading lies. Who's "being aggressive"?

Looks like you are. Also the misspelling you are mocking me with doesn't exist in this thread. It was removed due to "Inappropriate language" which I totally apologize for.

Why did the neighborhood get themselves officially named into the International District?

Citizens push to rename "The War Zone"

Originally Posted by Poncho_NM

"Warzone"? There is no Warzone...
Rich

[aries63]

Originally Posted by NMHacker

You know what they say about statistics, right?

Anyway, by looking at that map, what most people consider the 'war zone' had the most murders in 2009. 4 from what I can see.

Anyhow, unfortunately the International District aka the 'war zone' still has its problems. Are you denying that?

Don't get me wrong, I spend time in that area. It doesn't really bother me and I'm not going to drive out of my way to not go through that area. But, we as a community should still be looking for ways to get that area cleaned up, as well as others. And not deny that there definitively issues with crime in that area. I glance at the Journals crime map a few times a week and you always see a cluster of activity around the International District and Downtown. Both of which need to be concentrated on for policing.

People come to this forum who are unfamiliar with the city looking for facts, and it bugs me when people trash talk and spread misinformation. People confuse "SE Albuquerque", which has some of the city's nicest neighborhoods, with what they call the "war zone" part of town. And the International District is partly in the NE quadrant. I could point out the West Mesa murders, or the lady in North Albuquerque Acres who killed her husband and buried him under her driveway, or other famous and grisly crimes committed far from the area stigmatized as a "war zone."

I'm also saying the International District is far from being a "war zone" by any reasonable definition of that term when compared to high crime areas of other cities. The flip side of what you are saying ("don't deny the area has problems") is that people get a false sense of security in other parts of town, when they are lead to believe that most of the crime happens in that one concentrated area, which is clearly false.

So get with the program, there is no "war zone" anymore. I don't see why anybody who loves Albuquerque would want to continue to promote that image.

Edit to add: Just like you (and I) thought it was "freaking hilarious" that some other dude was scared driving through Española, I think it's "freaking hilarious" that anyone thinks of the International District as some kind of "war zone."

[Burquebinder]

Originally Posted by aries63

People come to this forum who are unfamiliar with the city looking for facts, and it bugs me when people trash talk and spread misinformation. People confuse "SE Albuquerque", which has some of the city's nicest neighborhoods, with what they call the "war zone" part of town. And the International District is partly in the NE quadrant. I could point out the West Mesa murders, or the lady in North Albuquerque Acres who killed her husband and buried him under her driveway, or other famous and grisly crimes committed far from the area stigmatized as a "war zone."

I'm also saying the International District is far from being a "war zone" by any reasonable definition of that term when compared to high crime areas of other cities. The flip side of what you are saying ("don't deny the area has problems") is that people get a false sense of security in other parts of town, when they are lead to believe that most of the crime happens in that one concentrated area, which is clearly false.

So get with the program, there is no "war zone" anymore. I don't see why anybody who loves Albuquerque would want to continue to promote that image.

Edit to add: Just like you (and I) thought it was "freaking hilarious" that some other dude was scared driving through Española, I think it's "freaking hilarious" that anyone thinks of the International District as some kind of "war zone."

+ 1,000

It should also be noted that the International District is a fair bit more densely populated than your average area, so per-capita crime rates are really not that far off from your typical ABQ neighborhood. Spreading false information about a part of town that is really trying to improve its image doesn't benefit anyone, and I'm with ya Aries63, I don't understand why other Albuquerqeans would want to bash one of the most culturally diverse segments of our city.