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Unread 06-19-2012, 03:09 PM
 
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Default Rusted Duct Through Slab

what does one usually do when the duct through the slab rusts out from moisture?
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Unread 06-20-2012, 06:21 PM
 
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what does one usually do when the duct through the slab rusts out from moisture?
I imagine that it can be lined with something.

The house I live in was built in 1996. We moved in in 2007.
We had a duct inspection where they looked into every inch of the system.
The "deep slab" part looks like it probably did when it was first installed.

The only anodic action is in some of the vent areas. I don't know what
makes a current flow there, but that part has some corrosion.

Rust is a product of a current being set-up in a conductive path where the current enters
the pipe or duct. Since the water in the air from the swamp cooler is a product of
evaporation, I imagine that it is completely neutral and thus a poor conductor.
The surrounding concrete also would not provide a good current path.
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Unread 06-21-2012, 06:24 PM
 
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Concrete is actually a pretty good current path (in the long term), particularly if it is reinforced (metal rebar), and particularly if it hasn't completely set as yet.
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Unread 06-22-2012, 11:56 AM
 
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Concrete is actually a pretty good current path (in the long term), particularly if it is reinforced (metal rebar), and particularly if it hasn't completely set as yet.
I'm guessing that the concrete in my foundation is pretty well set over these last 16 years.

ObTrivia:
- It is said that concrete in the Hoover dam won't be completely set for more than 100 years. -

Concrete can conduct if it has a high moisture content since it is somewhat porus, but that
moisture needs to have minerals in it, so moisture from the "swamped" air isn't going to cut it.

If I had a water leak by, say, overwatering plants near the outside wall, that might provide some moisture
that might provide some current flow, but remember we are talking millivolts and microvolts to create corrosion.
In a dry concrete slab, that's not going to happen unless there is rebar in direct contact with a duct.

This is evidenced by the condition of the ducts over all this time.

Dry and set concrete is effectively an insulator. If you look at lists of conductors and insulators, you'll find
concrete listed as the worst in the list of conductors. This is lumping all concrete and all voltages together.

If the house gets hit by lightning with a jillion volts, the slab will certainly provide a nice path to ground.

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Unread 06-22-2012, 01:54 PM
 
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Earlier, I wrote:
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Concrete can conduct if it has a high moisture content since it is somewhat porus, but that
moisture needs to have minerals in it, so moisture from the "swamped" air isn't going to cut it.
If "swamped" air gets into the concrete, the concrete has plenty of minerals.
However, "swamped" air cannot be considered particularly "moist" unless one
is running the cooler with humidity above 30-40%.

I don't even know why I'm posting in this thread any more. It's not like anyone's going to care.
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Unread 06-25-2012, 12:43 PM
 
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dchica

Depends! If they are collapsing good luck!
My question is how did you find the rust?
Had this problem and it's not fun.
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