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Old 01-16-2009, 12:39 PM
 
Location: Yootó
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Sorry, not buying your argument that talking on a cell phone is akin to drunk driving. You could probably also cite instances where someone was changing the radio station, eating a taco, talking to their spouse, etc. and an accident happened. There are enough silly laws on the books. We have tried this in Santa Fe, and it is not effective. But go ahead and gripe about it and waste your time, I don't care what happens in Burque anyway.
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Old 01-16-2009, 02:28 PM
 
Location: Burque!
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Is there proof that it's not effective? Some data to back-up your claims?
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Old 01-16-2009, 03:32 PM
 
Location: Yootó
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Is there proof that it's not effective? Some data to back-up your claims?
I don't need data Rybert. I can use my powers of observation to see that the law is not deterring anyone except the most fearful and nervous person from using a cell phone. It's like asking me if I have data proving dogs like to lick their balls. No, I don't have any such data, but I am pretty sure by watching these animals it is occurring.
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Old 01-16-2009, 03:38 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque
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Prohibition kept some people from drinking.

A ban on cellphone use in automobiles would keep some people from ...

Prohibition, overall, was not effective.

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Currently, there is a ban on other drivers cars from hitting my car ...
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Old 01-16-2009, 04:12 PM
 
Location: Burque!
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I don't need data Rybert. I can use my powers of observation to see that the law is not deterring anyone except the most fearful and nervous person from using a cell phone. It's like asking me if I have data proving dogs like to lick their balls. No, I don't have any such data, but I am pretty sure by watching these animals it is occurring.
Ok, fair enough.

(as for that ball licking stuff... no data there either?)
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Old 01-17-2009, 05:48 PM
 
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That law, like a ban on cellphone use, was unenforceable.
Huh??? Mortimer, I remember that [asinine] law being enforced on me, on more than once occasion!

Btw that's so true: When they were discussing raising the speed limits, there were howls of protests about how many lives would be lost. Then it turned out there was a negative correlation, and when many of the states raised the speed limits to 65, highway deaths actually decreased. That shut up the howlers pretty fast.

Anyway, here's an easy 3-step plan for making a cellphone law "enforceable."

Step 1: Cop sees motorist talking on cellphone while driving.
Step 2: Cop pulls motorist over.
Step 3: Cop writes motorist a ticket.

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Old 01-17-2009, 07:28 PM
 
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Anyway, here's an easy 3-step plan for making a cellphone law "enforceable."

Step 1: Cop sees motorist talking on cellphone while driving.
Step 2: Cop pulls motorist over.
Step 3: Cop writes motorist a ticket.

You missed a step:

Step 1: Cop sees motorist talking on cellphone while driving.
Step 2: Cop hangs up his own cell phone
Step 3: Cop pulls motorist over
Step 4: Cop writes motorist a ticket.
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Old 01-17-2009, 08:35 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque
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Tim Rankin asserts:

> I remember that [asinine] law being enforced on me, on more than once occasion!

That's not proof of its enforcability. That's anecdotal. It's sort of like
people telling me that they don't wear seatbelts because they heard of
someone getting thrown "free" of the (burning) car and surviving without
a scratch.

Oh! Oh! Oh! HERE's another set of laws I'd like to see repealed:
Seat belt laws and
child seat laws and
helmet laws and
kids-in-the-back-of-pickup laws.

While you were pulled over (fuming) the rest of us were able to (magically)
increase the rate of our speed of travel for a while. Thanks Tim, for running
interference for us!

Most people, via the use of various bits of electronic equipment, were immune to the law.
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Old 01-18-2009, 08:03 AM
 
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Thanks Tim, for running
interference for us!
Hey, no problem - that was actually my 15 min. of fame. As I waved to everyone wizzing by @ 70mph, I was mouthing the words "this one's on me."

The biggest problem I see with enforcability [btw good one on Step 2, trapped] are the resources of APD. Unless they get more cops on the street, enforcing cell phone use will likely take away from other types of enforcement. APD [along with many other urban PDs] may also soon have their hands full with the "social instability" that comes with a damaged economy. I've read that the military has already drawn up plans for implementing curfews [& even establishing marshal law], using the National Guard, etc, when the **** really hits the fan [if it does]. We may soon have bigger fish to fry than cell phones use while driving...
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Old 09-17-2009, 11:28 AM
 
Location: Albuquerque
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I'm all in favor of banning cars outright... to much polution

GO GREEN... Return to the Horse & Buggy!
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