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Unread 09-09-2010, 08:10 PM
 
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Democrat Diane Denish and Republican Susana Martinez have different approaches to the tax lightning issue.

There are a lot of good property deals on the market, I would not arbitrarily say it is unwise to buy a home.

This is primarily a relocation site, a site to ask questions and get answres, it is not a site to campaign, advertise or solicit in any fashion. That is a fine line a times. This is a privately owned site, it is not really here for someone to attempt to enforce "The law now says people should be informed.".
Rich:

I think I can express opinions here. I am certainly not advertising or soliciting or campaigning. And there is no possible way I can enforce anything -- I have absolutely no powers on this board or anywhere else for that matter. I am offering and taking advice and information. Certainly that is permissible.

I hope that I can verbally support compliance with the law. If I implied that I was doing more than that, then that was my factual mistake -- sorry.

You are right that there may be property deals such that one should not pass them up despite unfortunate tax consequences. And every situation should be looked at and costs and benefits weighed. I stand corrected.

However, there is a certain reality* here that affects calculation of costs. Anyone who buys now must consider the possibility* that to quote a newspaper article

***The real estate industry has also warned that houses with higher tax bills would be branded with the scarlet letter of a perpetually higher tax bill, making them harder to sell.***
Property 'tax lightning' raises ire | tax, ire, lightning - News - Clovis News Journal

IMO the above is information that is entirely relevant to relocation decisions.

I would agree with you that this matter is state law. However, it is no longer uniformly applied across the state since the Bernalillo court decisions prompted the assessor to roll back values in that county. We now have two systems in the state.

Santa Fe has also has some aspects re tax lightning.

1. Tax lightning originated with and is continually supported by one of our politicians, Ben Lujan, the Speaker of the House and pretty much boss of this county.
2 the acceleration in property values (on a higher base to start) has made the dollar amounts at stake quite high.
3. the dollar flow of moneys into government coffers -- coming from a minority of the population -- is staggering. As an example Santa Fe County expenditures doubled in a four year period. I suspect that something similar happened with city expenditures and school board expenditures. The resulting waste I hope is unmatched in other counties in New Mexico.
4. Corruption is rampant and facilitated by the flow of funds, but everyone who might investigate this corruption is of the same party as the perpetrators.
5. our local newspaper maintains a blackout on the issue (tax lightning).
6. if county option is adopted, then IMO this county will stick with tax lightning.
7. I have been advised by lawyers that this is the last place in the state to bring a case challenging the constitutionality of tax lightning. This, of course, is related to point one.

You seem quite knowledgeable. Are you a professional in the real estate arena? (If that seems an intrusive personal question, then please forgive me, and consider it withdrawn.)


*As noted this no longer applies in Bernalillo County. The scarlet letter has been abolished there.

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Unread 09-10-2010, 07:50 AM
 
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You seem quite knowledgeable. Are you a professional in the real estate arena? (If that seems an intrusive personal question, then please forgive me, and consider it withdrawn.)
I currently own two residences in the Albuquerque area and a residence in Florida. I was part owner of a residence for the first time in 1972 in Arizona. I was a licensed Real Estate in two other states in the past. I have owned a few homes in between. I have worked part time in the past performing real estate repairs, making estimates, photographing real estate and part ownership. I do not consider myself a professional in the real estate arena, I have dabbled in other fields like aircraft repair and sale, computer repair, programming and network installations, and dabbling in a few other part time fields...

I do have some long time friends and associates who are professionals in the real estate arena which I consider experts...



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Unread 09-10-2010, 09:10 AM
 
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***The real estate industry has also warned that houses with
higher tax bills would be branded with the scarlet letter of a
perpetually higher tax bill, making them harder to sell.***
I also agree with this.

It's always going to be a factor. For someone looking to move within
the state, if they are smart and informed they will take this into
consideration. I have a friend who is currently looking to downsize.

Wouldn't that be ironic if he moved into a smaller place to save money
and all of his utility savings were eaten up by property tax increases.

Back when gas was over $4/gallon, people found that the value of
their V8 SUVs plummeted. It might not have been rational, but it
was the reality of the situation.
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Unread 09-10-2010, 09:42 AM
 
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It's not. I see no value in trying to compare the two. There are too many variables and other possible issues.
(Comparing CA's Prop 13 to the situation in NM.) Sure it's comparable. You have new homeowners paying higher property taxes than long time homeowners with substantially identical properties. This is caused in part by NM's 3% limitation.

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"Prop 13 benefit"? Don't know about it, don't really want to know, but it's just one other factor you have to consider.
It's just the benefit of long time homeowners who are paying lower taxes than new owners pay on identical properties.

I don't see how anybody can believe that "sticking it to the new homeowners" is fair. Let's face it, there is some hostility towards people moving in out of state and competing with natives and long term residents. Many people like the idea of making newcomers pay higher taxes.
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Unread 09-10-2010, 05:48 PM
 
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I also agree with this.

It's always going to be a factor. For someone looking to move within
the state, if they are smart and informed they will take this into
consideration. I have a friend who is currently looking to downsize.

Wouldn't that be ironic if he moved into a smaller place to save money
and all of his utility savings were eaten up by property tax increases.

Back when gas was over $4/gallon, people found that the value of
their V8 SUVs plummeted. It might not have been rational, but it
was the reality of the situation.
A wrinkle I had not thought of:

Martinez's proposal would divide all homes (except in Bernalillo County) into two permanent groups.

Group A pays lower taxes forever and sells at a premium.
Group B pays higher taxes forever and is stigmatized at sale.

If if you buy now, you are in group B. This is a cost to take into account and working against buying now.

But if you wait say two years and Martinez's proposal is enacted, then you can by waiting get in group A. This is a benefit to consider also working against buying now.
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Unread 09-11-2010, 03:15 PM
 
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I could swear I posted this earlier -- but now I can't find it.

So here an op-ed piece from the ABQ Journal on tax lightning.

ABQJOURNAL OPINION/GUEST_COLUMNS: Tax Lightning Fix a Minefield
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Unread 09-11-2010, 04:15 PM
 
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As someone ready to buy and considering N.M. (Cloud/Ruidoso area) as one of three places to do so, this Tax Lightning situation is both confusing and scary and certainly is going to be a factor in whether we can relocate to the state, where we once lived in times past.
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Unread 09-11-2010, 09:35 PM
 
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As someone ready to buy and considering N.M. (Cloud/Ruidoso area) as one of three places to do so, this Tax Lightning situation is both confusing and scary and certainly is going to be a factor in whether we can relocate to the state, where we once lived in times past.
It need not be scary or confusing. You do have the right to discover exactly what your assessment will be as Santafescribe described. And now your realtor is under a legal obligation to inform you of the law.
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Unread 09-12-2010, 07:15 PM
 
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Please excuse the ID which is a bad pun.

What the tax lightning questions adds now is additional uncertainty in buying a house. You have to consider various scenarios -- your initially high taxes could go down in a year or so or could get ever higher stigmatizing your house on the market.
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Unread 10-29-2010, 04:51 PM
 
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I just want some straight answers.....I bought my house 4 years ago. I got the tax lighting. My property taxes tripled the previous owner. I have the smallest house on the block....I pay more than $1200 more than everyone else. I realize the city probably won't reimburse me for over paying but why aren't my taxes back on scale with everyone else?
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