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Old 11-10-2009, 10:14 PM
 
Location: New Mexico USA
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Shutting down the machine shop doesn't equal layoffs, according to the associated press' account from Joe Harris, the senior manager of said machine shop.
The "Machine Shop" has been there over 50 years, and was always determined to be needed. And that's what Sandia National Labs always stated, even though they have had reductions over the years. So now they don't need it? OK. It doesn't equal layoff's? You gonna say downsizing by attrition? Retirements and moving to other jobs?


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Contractors get jobs, they get riffed.. but these aren't Sandia employees.
The 100+ employees/workers/contractors, whatever you want to call them are out of a job? They don't count? I know three people who worked in that machine shop for 10+ years. Did Joe Harris say that? Bet you Joe Harris is a contactor, bet you he has over 25 years employment. Sandia National Labs has over 10,000 people in the Albuquerque area. What percentage are contractors? I don't know, but bet you its enough to considered more than 50%

The entire Sandia Labs is a contractor! They contract to the Department of Energy to the tune of about $1,400,000,000 per year. (In addition, they do work for other agencies and companies also).



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Old 11-11-2009, 08:30 AM
 
Location: Abu Al-Qurq
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The "Machine Shop" has been there over 50 years, and was always determined to be needed.
Apparently not by everybody, and definitely not by the decision makers.

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And that's what Sandia National Labs always stated, even though they have had reductions over the years. So now they don't need it? OK. It doesn't equal layoff's? You gonna say downsizing by attrition? Retirements and moving to other jobs?
Yes, yes, yes, and yes. Why not?

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The 100+ employees/workers/contractors, whatever you want to call them are out of a job? They don't count? I know three people who worked in that machine shop for 10+ years. Did Joe Harris say that? Bet you Joe Harris is a contactor, bet you he has over 25 years employment. Sandia National Labs has over 10,000 people in the Albuquerque area. What percentage are contractors? I don't know, but bet you its enough to considered more than 50%
At issue was whether Sandia was laying off or not. When the holidays have come and gone and millions of seasonal workers are let go, this doesn't equal mass layoffs. Raytheon is laying off, Ktech is laying off, etc., fine. Not Sandia.

The rest of this is not relevant to the issue in question.
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Old 11-11-2009, 01:23 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque
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Originally Posted by Zoidberg
When the holidays have come and gone and millions of seasonal
workers are let go, this doesn't equal mass layoffs.
No, because everyone knew the jobs were only temporary and
that they would end.

Another example:

If Intel shuts down a factory and lays off 3,000 blue badge
Intel employees, then some 500 green badge contractors get
laid off. Intel HR didn't lay them off, but in my tiny little mind,
I view the layoff of the 3,500 employees as an Intel layoff.
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Old 12-04-2009, 09:01 AM
 
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Default It's a layoff

I have to agree that it's akin to a layoff. I worked in a (different) government lab. It's very difficult and expensive to employ government workers so many government labs hire "contractors" to fill 80% of the positions. This way they can layoff people. Firing a government employee is near impossible. This is the way around it. I met many people who spent their entire career as a contractor at a lab.

This is not necc. a knock on the way government labs do things. All organizations need to lay people off periodically to remain viable, and the red tape in government makes these types of loop holes needed. Most of the contractors I met were pretty happy and were very good. But the golden carrot was the possibility of the government job. It's akin to tenure in the government lab setting.
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