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Old 01-11-2010, 10:38 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM - Summerlin, NV
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Well.... word on the street is... another developer is going to buy the SunCal land, if it does infact go bankrupt. Well.... this looks like a set up.
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Old 03-03-2010, 06:43 AM
 
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Have any otf the homes(single family) started being built yet?
Are there any *nice (middle, upper middle class, or above) of these 'traditional' or walkable neighborhoods around in Albuquerque? I will be in ABQ in 2 weeks scoping out some stuff for my job and have kind of read about a bunch of neighborhoods, but I havent quite seen this. Is it really all just suburban sprawl?
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Old 03-03-2010, 07:34 AM
 
Location: Marlborough, MA
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There are no homes there yet, only the school and the businesses.
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Old 03-04-2010, 10:38 AM
 
Location: Albuquerque
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Originally Posted by pakofan
Is it really all just suburban sprawl?
Yes.

By definition, if you build something on "unimproved" land, it is "sprawl."

I don't care if it is a 100-story residential building ( dense housing ) it's still sprawl.

I don't care if it's "walkable" it's still sprawl.

People have to live somewhere.
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Old 03-04-2010, 10:51 AM
 
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so plot's of unimproved land in ABQ would be sprawl?
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Old 03-04-2010, 11:33 AM
 
Location: New Mexico U.S.A.
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There is no accurate universally accepted definition for the word sprawl. One of the earliest uses of the word "sprawl" in terms of land use was in a 1937 speech by Earle Draper, then director of planning for the Tennessee Valley Authority: "Perhaps diffusion is too kind of word. ... In bursting its bounds, the city actually sprawled and made the countryside ugly ..., uneconomic [in terms] of services and doubtful social value." Sprawl Guide: Definitions of Sprawl (http://www.plannersweb.com/sprawl/define.html - broken link)

I consider it a word used by some when they really don't have a meaningful statement, just drive by and toss the word out, and continue going on with no further explanation... I guess you could say sprawl is how someone else lives or how someone else wants to live, you can politely spit the word at them. I guess I contribute to sprawl, I have more residences than I need...
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Old 03-04-2010, 11:42 AM
 
Location: Burque!
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There are no homes there yet, only the school and the businesses.

The school has been built?
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Old 03-04-2010, 12:12 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque
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Originally Posted by ohyes
so plot's of unimproved land in ABQ would be sprawl?
You're right.

I didn't mean infill. Of course, an "unimproved" bit of land
surrounded by "improved" land is still "improved" in my book.

I was originally referring to land on the edge of town that
causes the town to increase in size - when developed.

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There is no accurate universally accepted definition for the word sprawl. ...
I guess you could say sprawl is how someone else lives or how someone else
wants to live, ...
I'd say you just gave the universal definition.
It might not be accepted, but it's what most people use.

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Originally Posted by Poncho_NM
... I guess I contribute to sprawl, ....
Of course you do.
You're alive aren't you?

That's what gets me; people that don't consider their own
house sprawl, but consider the other guy's house to be sprawl.
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Old 03-04-2010, 02:33 PM
 
Location: New Mexico
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I think what pakofan was referring to has to do with this definition of sprawl from (where else?) Wikipedia:

The spreading outwards of a city and its suburbs to its outskirts to low-density, auto-dependent development on rural land, with associated design features that encourage car dependency.

That's mostly what we've got. Welcome to Sprawlbuquerque. The planned new urbanism of Mesa del Sol is supposed to encourage walking and biking by increasing density and providing an infrastructure that encourages alternatives to driving.

So far, what I've seen at Mesa del Sol is not promising, the new Predock building doesn't speak to me particularly, and some of the other large structures (like the UNM film studio) have all the charm of a barn, warehouse, or barracks. There is a beautiful view of the Manzanos, however.

The housing development will be interesting to watch. It is on hold because of The Economy.
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Old 03-04-2010, 02:38 PM
 
Location: Marlborough, MA
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The school has been built?
Yes, this will be their second year. Right now it's a cluster of portables and will be K-5 this year. Last year was K-4, and each year they will add a year, up to 8th grade.

We're sending our son there.

Of course, if all goes well, we'll be keeping an eye on home construction as it's located far from the West Side.
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