Boycotts In Response To Controversial Immigration Enforcement Bill (hotels, homes)

[ABQConvict]

Originally Posted by catman

Yes, but they were the first people here, not entering other peoples' territory.
Just sayin'...

That's what Hitler said when he invaded Poland.

[MG120]

Not sure where people are getting that they need to carry their passport or anything else. The law specifically says that a Drivers License is proof enough. But hey, don't let facts get in the way of rhetoric.

[aries63]

People are leaving Arizona not to "boycott" necessarily but because they do not want to be in the atmosphere of intimidation the bill creates. The president of the University of Arizona (which has a large number of international students and faculty) wrote this to the campus community (could New Mexico universities be accepting some transfer students?):


We have already begun to feel an impact from SB1070. The families of a number of out-of-state students (to date all of them honors students) have told us that they are changing their plans and will be sending their children to universities in other states. This should sadden anyone who cares about attracting the best and brightest students to Arizona.

Additionally, large numbers of UA students, faculty, staff and appointed professionals have expressed concerns that they or members of their families or their friends may now be subject to unwarranted detainment by police. Many of these individuals are from families that have been residents of Arizona for generations. While I am completely confident that no one need fear the way that UAPD will approach the application of this law, I nevertheless appreciate the anxiety that friends and colleagues are feeling. It is a concern and fear that no one should have to harbor.

[nmnita]

Originally Posted by aries63

People are leaving Arizona not to "boycott" necessarily but because they do not want to be in the atmosphere of intimidation the bill creates. The president of the University of Arizona (which has a large number of international students and faculty) wrote this to the campus community (could New Mexico universities be accepting some transfer students?):


We have already begun to feel an impact from SB1070. The families of a number of out-of-state students (to date all of them honors students) have told us that they are changing their plans and will be sending their children to universities in other states. This should sadden anyone who cares about attracting the best and brightest students to Arizona.

Additionally, large numbers of UA students, faculty, staff and appointed professionals have expressed concerns that they or members of their families or their friends may now be subject to unwarranted detainment by police. Many of these individuals are from families that have been residents of Arizona for generations. While I am completely confident that no one need fear the way that UAPD will approach the application of this law, I nevertheless appreciate the anxiety that friends and colleagues are feeling. It is a concern and fear that no one should have to harbor.

and you really believe this is the case? I am sure a handful will leave, but remember, for those who do leave they will have to pay out of state tuition someplace, that isn't cheap. They can't go to California, most of the state schools in Ca aren't even taking new students. You are simply repeating what a the President, which I am sure has a view that many other don't share has to say. I can also add, I doubt many of the best and brightest in our country choose University of AZ.

Nita

[Burquebinder]

Originally Posted by MG120

Not sure where people are getting that they need to carry their passport or anything else. The law specifically says that a Drivers License is proof enough. But hey, don't let facts get in the way of rhetoric.

No. A Driver's license has never been considered proof of citizenship. In New Mexico, you do not need proof of citizenship to get a driver's license (this is true in other states as well). Additionally, even in states that do require proof of citizenship/birth certificate etc, there are ways of receiving a license by simply proving that you have a valid drivers license in a host of (UN approved) countries. Please do some research on this...I'm really getting sick of pointing out that there is a difference between proof of citizenship and a drivers license.

[MG120]

Originally Posted by Burquebinder

No. A Driver's license has never been considered proof of citizenship. In New Mexico, you do not need proof of citizenship to get a driver's license (this is true in other states as well). Additionally, even in states that do require proof of citizenship/birth certificate etc, there are ways of receiving a license by simply proving that you have a valid drivers license in a host of (UN approved) countries. Please do some research on this...I'm really getting sick of pointing out that there is a difference between proof of citizenship and a drivers license.

Then explain this:

B. For any lawful contact stop, detention or arrest made by a law enforcement official or a law enforcement agency of this state or a law enforcement official or a law enforcement agency of a county, city, town or other political subdivision of this state in the enforcement of any other law or ordinance of a county, city or town or this state where reasonable suspicion exists that the person is an alien who and is unlawfully present in the United States, a reasonable attempt shall be made, when practicable, to determine the immigration status of the person, except if the determination may hinder or obstruct an investigation. Any person who is arrested shall have the person’s immigration status determined before the person is released. The person’s immigration status shall be verified with the federal government pursuant to 8 United States code section 1373(c). A law enforcement official or agency of this state or a county, city, town or other political subdivision of this state may not solely consider race, color or national origin in implementing the requirements of this subsection except to the extent permitted by the United States or Arizona Constitution. A person is presumed to not be an alien who is unlawfully present in the United States if the person provides to the law enforcement officer or agency any of the following:

1. A valid Arizona driver license.
2. A valid Arizona nonoperating identification license.
3. A valid tribal enrollment card or other form of tribal identification.
4. If the entity requires proof of legal presence in the United States before issuance, any valid United States federal, state or local government issued identification.

The bolding is mine. You notice it doesn't say ANYTHING about a passport, green card, etc. and it doesn't require all of them, just any ONE of them.

[karmathecat]

You aren't reading your own proof very well.

4. If the entity requires proof of legal presence in the United States before issuance....

Flip it around so it reads:

Any valid United States federal, state or local government issued identification if the entity requires proof of legal presence in the United States before issuance.

A New Mexico driver's license, issued by the entity of the State of New Mexico is issued without proof of legal presence in the US. So, a valid NM driver's license is not an acceptable form of ID to proove legal status in the US. This means that when traveling to/from/through AZ you'd be smart to have another form of ID that actually proves legal status and the only other common one I can think of that has a photo would be a passport or, if not a US citizen, a passport with valid visa ( the visa is issued by the US Federal Govt) or a res alien card ( green card )which is also issued at a Federal US level.

[aries63]

Right, Karma... and there are at least 30 other states (entities) that do not require proof of legal presence in the US to issue driver's licenses, so none of those would be valid proof in AZ. At least that's what I remember when the FAA was going to require people in over 30 states to present passports to board domestic flights beginning January 1st of this year (state driver's licenses were not going to be accepted as valid ID), but Congress extended the deadline. I did renew my passport just in case.

[karmathecat]

and for my son, i need his original birth certificate plus his certificate of citizenship as all he has in his ( expired ) passport is an expired US visa.

[bradly]

If Albuquerque does so, we will even look worse than we already do.......... don't people think??

Why should we ruin contracts with good Arizona companies, cause of ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION REFORM!
Wake up people!