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Old 11-26-2015, 12:07 AM
 
Location: Seattle, Washington
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In 1928, Dr H.M Shelton wrote an article on the falsity of the Germ Theory of Disease.
His first statement is: "Germs are ubiquitous. They are in the air we breathe, the food we eat, the water we drink. We cannot escape them. We can destroy them only to a limited extent." Source

He postulated that germs did not cause disease but the disease caused germs. In other words, it is the healing that causes the symptoms that we normally associate with disease (dis-ease). Many Doctors have stated that a fever is really just the body fighting the disease (healing). We have all (most likely) heard that our wound is itchy because it's healing...

What do we know about bacteria? We know that we carry E-coli in our bowels all the time so is it a dangerous bacteria? Could it be that suppressing these symptoms actually worsens the condition therefore causing dis-ease?

Take for example the common cold. You have a runny nose, cough, and body aches. What if your body is trying to rid itself of toxins by the runny nose and cough. If you blow your nose and spit your mucus from the cough, would you get better faster? We know that our kidneys expel toxins through urine, our liver through bowel movements... is it so far fetched that our sinuses or even skin would also be used if our body is overloaded with toxins?

So what does bacteria eat... Inorganic material. How does bacteria in our bodies eating inorganic material cause disease or any symptoms for that matter?

Let's talk about viruses. A virus is said to be dead. How can a dead thing cause havoc in a living being? It cannot move, metabolize, invade, procreate... it is dead. So our scientists would have us believe that a virus invades a cell to prompt it to replicate. How? It is dead. It can't do anything but just sit there... dead.

Any opinions on why we are so afraid of bacteria and viruses (which are not actually the cause of anything)?

 
Old 11-27-2015, 10:44 PM
 
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There is no "debunking of the germ theory"

It is "FACT" plain and simple...

Bacterial pathogens cause disease....FACT

The germ theory is THE basic tenet of modern medicine and has been proven beyond a shadow of doubt

Viruses are not "dead" unless killed, they just defy the typical rules of living organisms, they are however very capable of "invasion" and once they have "invaded" living cells are then capable of reproducing themselves rapidly and in great numbers. There is absolutely no doubt that viruses cause disease and the mechanism of action and reproduction is very well understood by anyone who has taken even a basic Biology course...

Anyone who doubts the veracity of the Germ Theory is welcome to take a very simple test to "prove" how smart they are. Simply volunteer to be injected with purified strains of Tetanus, Clostridium botulinum or maybe HIV...after all if you are right and those of us who have spent our lives studying biology, pathophysiology and medicine are wrong then you have nothing to fear, right?
 
Old 11-29-2015, 12:38 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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Originally Posted by katjonjj View Post
In 1928, Dr H.M Shelton wrote an article on the falsity of the Germ Theory of Disease.
His first statement is: "Germs are ubiquitous. They are in the air we breathe, the food we eat, the water we drink. We cannot escape them. We can destroy them only to a limited extent." Source

He postulated that germs did not cause disease but the disease caused germs. In other words, it is the healing that causes the symptoms that we normally associate with disease (dis-ease). Many Doctors have stated that a fever is really just the body fighting the disease (healing). We have all (most likely) heard that our wound is itchy because it's healing...

What do we know about bacteria? We know that we carry E-coli in our bowels all the time so is it a dangerous bacteria? Could it be that suppressing these symptoms actually worsens the condition therefore causing dis-ease?

Take for example the common cold. You have a runny nose, cough, and body aches. What if your body is trying to rid itself of toxins by the runny nose and cough. If you blow your nose and spit your mucus from the cough, would you get better faster? We know that our kidneys expel toxins through urine, our liver through bowel movements... is it so far fetched that our sinuses or even skin would also be used if our body is overloaded with toxins?

So what does bacteria eat... Inorganic material. How does bacteria in our bodies eating inorganic material cause disease or any symptoms for that matter?

Let's talk about viruses. A virus is said to be dead. How can a dead thing cause havoc in a living being? It cannot move, metabolize, invade, procreate... it is dead. So our scientists would have us believe that a virus invades a cell to prompt it to replicate. How? It is dead. It can't do anything but just sit there... dead.

Any opinions on why we are so afraid of bacteria and viruses (which are not actually the cause of anything)?
Of course the body is largely germs so they cannot be the cause of disease. However, an over active germ population is probably a symptom of some malfunctioning in the human body.

As an analogy:

Suppose you have a dead pond because the water stream that use to run through it has been dammed up. A result may be the emergence of an over active mosquito population. Sure you can overload the pond with deadly chemicals and it will kill the mosquitoes (not permanently though, they will return), but you will kill every living thing in the pond with it.

The proper way to treat the problem is not by trying to kill but by bringing life back to the eco system by allowing water to run through the pond again. Everything then quiesces back to a natural state.

Germs are more than good and more than beneficial, they are absolutely critical to a healthy body. Over active germ populations are ust an indication of stagnant flow of blood and energy and the best way to treat the problem is by treating the underlying problem.

Germ Theory is incorrect, superficial, and to some degree totally nonsensical.
 
Old 11-29-2015, 12:43 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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Originally Posted by bluedevilz View Post
There is no "debunking of the germ theory"

It is "FACT" plain and simple...

Bacterial pathogens cause disease....FACT

The germ theory is THE basic tenet of modern medicine and has been proven beyond a shadow of doubt

Viruses are not "dead" unless killed, they just defy the typical rules of living organisms, they are however very capable of "invasion" and once they have "invaded" living cells are then capable of reproducing themselves rapidly and in great numbers. There is absolutely no doubt that viruses cause disease and the mechanism of action and reproduction is very well understood by anyone who has taken even a basic Biology course...

Anyone who doubts the veracity of the Germ Theory is welcome to take a very simple test to "prove" how smart they are. Simply volunteer to be injected with purified strains of Tetanus, Clostridium botulinum or maybe HIV...after all if you are right and those of us who have spent our lives studying biology, pathophysiology and medicine are wrong then you have nothing to fear, right?
Overloading a system with pathogens will necessarily kill the body.

Anyone who wishes to understand how harmful medical drugs can be can simply overdose themselves with them.

Taking to much of anything does not prove cause.

The bodies healing system is the most powerful means for keeping a body healthy. The trick is to work with it not against it in developing a healthy lifestyle. For what's it worth no one in my family has gone to a physician in 35 years nor do we take drugs. Not necessary. Knowledge is King.
 
Old 11-29-2015, 04:58 PM
 
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Overloading a system with pathogens will necessarily kill the body.

Anyone who wishes to understand how harmful medical drugs can be can simply overdose themselves with them.

Taking to much of anything does not prove cause.

The bodies healing system is the most powerful means for keeping a body healthy. The trick is to work with it not against it in developing a healthy lifestyle. For what's it worth no one in my family has gone to a physician in 35 years nor do we take drugs. Not necessary. Knowledge is King.
Knowledge is King and based on your 2 posts your knowledge is severely lacking...

Overdosing with drugs is not the same thing as "overdosing" with "germs"

Saying the body is full of germs so they can't be the cause of disease is the most ridiculous assertion I have ever heard....the body isn't full of "germs"....

We have normal flora both internal and external, these are not pathogens....

Germ theory is correct, PROVEN and all encompassing....

Again, you don't believe in it step right up and inject yourself with botulinum, tetanus, HIV or any number of other pathogens you don't need to "overdose" a few cc's will do the trick...

If you really think you would survive such exposure you are beyond foolish

How about weaponized bacteria???

Is biological warfare a hoax as s well?? I'm sure the Pentagon would love to have you and a few of your like minded uneducated followers serve as test subjects for smallpox and anthrax....nothing to fear there right??

A healthy lifestyle won't save you from tetanus, botulism, meningitis, necrotizing fasciitis or a whole host of other diseases caused by pathogens....modern medicine and antibiotics will....

When I see posts like yours I fear for the next generation of scientifically illiterate Americans....
 
Old 11-29-2015, 05:05 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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Knowledge is King and based on your 2 posts your knowledge is severely lacking...

Overdosing with drugs is not the same thing as "overdosing" with "germs"s

....
It is exactly the same Too much of anything is unhealthy. To much drugs over a short or long period of time will certainly kill the body.

There are 100x more bacteria, viruses, and other organism in the human body than there are human cells. Bacteria is critical to the proper functioning of the human body.

Your theory is beyond the absurd, it is dangerous.

The true physician prevents disease by understanding the cause.
 
Old 11-29-2015, 05:37 PM
 
Location: ☀️ SFL (hell for me-wife loves it)
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Originally Posted by bluedevilz View Post
There is no "debunking of the germ theory"

It is "FACT" plain and simple...

Bacterial pathogens cause disease....FACT

The germ theory is THE basic tenet of modern medicine and has been proven beyond a shadow of doubt

Viruses are not "dead" unless killed, they just defy the typical rules of living organisms, they are however very capable of "invasion" and once they have "invaded" living cells are then capable of reproducing themselves rapidly and in great numbers. There is absolutely no doubt that viruses cause disease and the mechanism of action and reproduction is very well understood by anyone who has taken even a basic Biology course...

Anyone who doubts the veracity of the Germ Theory is welcome to take a very simple test to "prove" how smart they are. Simply volunteer to be injected with purified strains of Tetanus, Clostridium botulinum or maybe HIV...after all if you are right and those of us who have spent our lives studying biology, pathophysiology and medicine are wrong then you have nothing to fear, right?
I couldn't have said it better myself. This is proven fact. A paper from 1928 can't debunk this proven science.
 
Old 11-29-2015, 05:54 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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Suggesting that germs cause disease is simplistic and inaccurate but great for lazy physicians and money hungry pharmaceuticals.

What is crucial is understanding the terrain and how best to assist the body in healing itself in order to prevent further decline in health.


The Terrain Within: A Naturalistic Way to Think | Let's Talk Nutrition
 
Old 11-29-2015, 06:07 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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A reasonable understanding of health and bacteria.

C. diff: Causes, Symptoms, and Treatments

"The average human digestive tract is home to as many as 1,000 species of microorganisms. Most of them are harmless -- or even helpful -- under normal circumstances. But when something upsets the balance of these organisms in your gut, otherwise harmless bacteria can grow out of control and make you sick. One of the worst offenders is a bacterium called Clostridium difficile(C. difficile, or C. diff). As the bacteria overgrow they release toxins that attack the lining of the intestines, causing a condition called Clostridium difficilecolitis.
 
Old 11-29-2015, 06:25 PM
 
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In 1928, Dr H.M Shelton wrote an article on the falsity of the Germ Theory of Disease.
His first statement is: "Germs are ubiquitous. They are in the air we breathe, the food we eat, the water we drink. We cannot escape them. We can destroy them only to a limited extent." Source

He postulated that germs did not cause disease but the disease caused germs. In other words, it is the healing that causes the symptoms that we normally associate with disease (dis-ease). Many Doctors have stated that a fever is really just the body fighting the disease (healing). We have all (most likely) heard that our wound is itchy because it's healing...



Any opinions on why we are so afraid of bacteria and viruses (which are not actually the cause of anything)?
Plain and to the point, bacteria and viruses can, and do, cause disease. You can forget anything written in 1928
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