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Old 06-04-2018, 10:51 AM
 
Location: Oregon
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At one time or another, all scientific principles have started with a theory.

Many of these 'snake oil salesmen' (as the self-righteous med shills love to call them) are ahead of their time. Some of their theories will never see the light of day due to limited funding, others will be ignored because the US, by and large, is highly threatened of anything that doesn't require the authority of conventional medical advice and the supporting pharmaceutical drug ($$$).

We know what, ultimately, happens in the brain with AZ, but we do NOT know what actually causes the amyloid plaques to form in the first place. Theories from aluminum build-up to pesticide exposure, chronic over-medication - even antihistamine overuse is floating around out there these days. And there's even some thought that those 'miracle' statins are robbing our brains of essential chemicals needed for cognitive function and memory...

Are all of these theories preposterous? Not to people interested in preventative health they're not. Honestly, if a researcher with a credible education, like Dr. Bredesen, is attempting to work towards greater understanding and a possible cure - I'm happy to learn from his findings and apply whatever is useful in my daily life.

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Old 06-04-2018, 11:12 AM
 
Location: Southern California
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At one time or another, all scientific principles have started with a theory.

Many of these 'snake oil salesmen' (as the self-righteous med shills love to call them) are ahead of their time. Some of their theories will never see the light of day due to limited funding, others will be ignored because the US, by and large, is highly threatened of anything that doesn't require the authority of conventional medical advice and the supporting pharmaceutical drug ($$$).

We know what, ultimately, happens in the brain with AZ, but we do NOT know what actually causes the amyloid plaques to form in the first place. Theories from aluminum build-up to pesticide exposure, chronic over-medication - even antihistamine overuse is floating around out there these days. And there's even some thought that those 'miracle' statins are robbing our brains of essential chemicals needed for cognitive function and memory...

Are all of these theories preposterous? Not to people interested in preventative health there not. Honestly, if a researcher with a credible education, like Dr. Bredesen, is attempting to work towards greater understanding and a possible cure - I'm happy to learn from his findings and apply whatever is useful in my daily life.
Alz/dementia is on the uprise and nursing homes are loaded with lost minds and could it be from years of statins. I'd bet so many of those folks have been taking statins for years. One person on another health group was bragging about a 110 cholesterol and I brought to his attention this could be a dangerous low cholesterol...our bodies/brains need cholesterol.
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Old 06-04-2018, 01:11 PM
 
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Having read the reviews on Amazon of Dr. Bredesen's book, I found this one interesting:

"I have been given either a link for this book or the hard cover of this book by no less then three well meaning people, who apparently think I'm either incable of performing a simple internet search after 4 years of caring for, reading about, attending seminars for and about people with early onset Alzheimer's.

Bredesen is a modern day snake oil salesmen. You can not reverse Alzheimer's. At present the best all of the clinical trials hope for is being able to stop the cognitive decline in its tracks.

To suggest you can reverse cognitive decline is akin to telling a paraplegic, if he'd only follow a certain regime, he would grow his missing limb back.

I have heard Doctor Anwar Sabbagh (formerly Banner and Barrows) speak about moving Alzheimer's from a terminal disease to a manageable disease (similar to HIV) in his lifetime. I believe that and him, but they still have a ways to go.

Suggesting that a diet or other homeopathic means can reverse this horrific disease is just salt in the wounds of any family member or caregiver of someone with AD and a way to profit off the suffering of others.

What happen to critical thought? If he truly had the cure for Alzheimer's, don't you think it would be in every scientific journal, and on every news media outlet in the world?

I swear, as a caregiver of a husband with Alzheimer's, if one more person gives me this book, I will set it on fire."
By definition, it is the permanent damage to brain cells and nerves. Only temporary impairment of brain assets, such as that caused by disease, depression, nutrient, deficiency, etc., can be reversed or stopped. Halting the temporary impairment may look like reversing Alzheimer's but it's not. It is just restoring the person to his normal level of function which may be normal, MCI, or some stage of dementia. Since the brain contains much redundancy, it's probably possible that you can halt the progression of permanent damage and retrain the remaining brain capacity to take over functions and reprogram memories. It will take a lot of therapy.

interesting discussion on redundancy in memory

https://www.quora.com/Is-there-any-r...n-human-memory

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Old 06-04-2018, 01:28 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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I've off and on followed Dr. Newport's story and her husband, don't know where it all is right NOW.

Dr. Mary Newport | Foundation for Alternative and Integrative Medicine
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Old 06-04-2018, 02:33 PM
 
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Alz/dementia is on the uprise and nursing homes are loaded with lost minds and could it be from years of statins. I'd bet so many of those folks have been taking statins for years. One person on another health group was bragging about a 110 cholesterol and I brought to his attention this could be a dangerous low cholesterol...our bodies/brains need cholesterol.
I recently quit taking statins after many years due to nasty side effects. Started taking a Sequestrant called Cholestyramine. Hopefully it controls my cholesterol and I don't have side effects.
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Old 06-04-2018, 03:06 PM
 
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I recently quit taking statins after many years due to nasty side effects. Started taking a Sequestrant called Cholestyramine. Hopefully it controls my cholesterol and I don't have side effects.
I started taking Jarrow Bile Acid factors about 5 months ago or so..otc from my supplement company. I like what it does for me so continue with it. I'm not convinced, of course, what the cholesterol industry wants us to believe.
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Old 06-04-2018, 06:17 PM
 
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I started taking Jarrow Bile Acid factors about 5 months ago or so..otc from my supplement company. I like what it does for me so continue with it. I'm not convinced, of course, what the cholesterol industry wants us to believe.
My new doctor is very anti statin and feels cholesterol is not all that terrible.
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Old 06-05-2018, 07:33 AM
 
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Alz/dementia is on the uprise and nursing homes are loaded with lost minds and could it be from years of statins. I'd bet so many of those folks have been taking statins for years. One person on another health group was bragging about a 110 cholesterol and I brought to his attention this could be a dangerous low cholesterol...our bodies/brains need cholesterol.
The rise in Alzheimer's incidence (& diagnosis) significantly preceded the use, let alone widespread use, of statins.
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Old 06-05-2018, 07:35 AM
 
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My new doctor is very anti statin and feels cholesterol is not all that terrible.


Cholesterol per se is not terrible. In fact it is an essential part of every cell in your body, and, as jamin points out, is a very important component of the nervous system. But too much LDL is correlated with a number of pathological states. I wouldn't obsess over cholesterol for sure, but if your triglycerides are very high you've really got to take some action.


Interestingly, too low a cholesterol has been linked to psychological problems, including depression. There's no study showing causation for sure, but the data is interesting. On top of that, besides the much-touted systemic health benefits of the vegan or vegetarian diet, a number of studies have now shown increased incidence of mental disorders among vegans/vegetarians versus the omnivorous population even when correcting for various confounding factors. I would not be surprised if the two were not linked somehow... Just my speculation though.
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Old 06-06-2018, 08:36 AM
 
Location: Henderson, NV, U.S.A.
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The rise in Alzheimer's incidence (& diagnosis) significantly preceded the use, let alone widespread use, of statins.
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Cholesterol per se is not terrible. In fact it is an essential part of every cell in your body, and, as jamin points out, is a very important component of the nervous system. But too much LDL is correlated with a number of pathological states. I wouldn't obsess over cholesterol for sure, but if your triglycerides are very high you've really got to take some action.

Interestingly, too low a cholesterol has been linked to psychological problems, including depression. There's no study showing causation for sure, but the data is interesting. On top of that, besides the much-touted systemic health benefits of the vegan or vegetarian diet, a number of studies have now shown increased incidence of mental disorders among vegans/vegetarians versus the omnivorous population even when correcting for various confounding factors. I would not be surprised if the two were not linked somehow... Just my speculation though.
Both relevant points.
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