Screw the vaccine company's and all you people who promote it!!

[NCInMyMind]

Originally Posted by GuyNTexas

vaccines are full of stealth viruses that can cause chronic brain disorders over 20 years after vaccination.

That explains a lot.....

[flik_becky]

Originally Posted by bluedevilz

LOL

"Other" sources of information.....

Rolling Stone Magazine

Salon.com

a blog titled the "the doctor within" which references a fantastical piece of fiction The Sanctity of Human Blood written by a chiropractor...

Whoo boy...

Keep those "other" sources coming, sure wouldn't want to "confuse" folks with, you know, ACTUAL science

As for the fractured fairy tale regarding the (alleged) decline of diseases such as polio prior to the development of vaccines, I would refer those who would like actual FACTS here:

"Diseases had already begun to disappear before vaccines were introduced, because of better hygiene and sanitation.

Statements like this are very common in anti-vaccine literature, the intent apparently being to suggest that vaccines are not needed. Improved socioeconomic conditions have undoubtedly had an indirect impact on disease. Better nutrition, not to mention the development of antibiotics and other treatments, have increased survival rates among the sick; less crowded living conditions have reduced disease transmission; and lower birth rates have decreased the number of susceptible household contacts. But looking at the actual incidence of disease over the years can leave little doubt of the significant direct impact vaccines have had, even in modern times."

CDC - Common Questions - Vaccine Safety

The profit motive, another reach by the typical Anti-VAX false prophet...vaccinations are not a profit center, not for the companies that have research and develop them, not for the doctors that administer them.

Honestly, I have no misconceptions about changing the minds

My biggest fear is that people will actually put off or avoid vaccinations due to the fear elicited by the Anti-VAX crowd

Bottom line:

"One problem is that vaccines have been so successful that parents rarely see the full, ugly consequences of the diseases against which vaccines defend anymore. "

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Actually, one of the biggest leaders against routine vaccinations is a PHDed and licensed medical doctor who moved to help a community with a large amount of Amish...they had ZERO immunizations and ZERO autism. He was very perplxed because everything he had ever learned in med school went against what he was seeing. They would get chicken pox and other illnesses that most are vaccinated against and would not see the deaths that there were suppose to have. Sure, he saw more kids with broken legs and other farm injuries, higher overall child death rates because of such but ZERO autism and ZERO deaths from chicken pox, flu, ect.

I did not listen to anyone either. I was just like you....until my 4 month old nearly died in my arms because of vaccines. Nothing can prepare you or open your eyes more than that. My local doctor rolls his eyes at me but when I spoke to a much more qulified doctor while at a Children's Hospital and explained it all, she said, "Do you realize how close your son was to death?" and said vaccines weren't for everyone and said that I should be very careful about continuing any vaccine routines with him AND "Small town doctors aren't working with the colleges and researches as much as we are so we are more on top of things than they are, " telling me to not be afraid to bring my children to their hospital for a second opinion if I ever experienced anything like that again. My home town doctor and local hospital had told me to stay away, leave them open to "real" problems...like a 4 month old with a 104 degree temp, hadn't eaten or drank anything in three days and skin that stood up when you pinched it was NOT a real problem!

[bluedevilz]

Originally Posted by flik_becky

YET our courts have awarded damages to a 1000 families and counting....how do you explain that?

The proof provided above your post was some of the best I've seen. You may discount it and call the doc a quack if you would like. The problem is....you are right now doing the same as sitting on the same side of the tobacco companies who delayed decades of prosecution when they did denied that their product caused cancer, even though it was noted at least as far back as the 1800's, and denied advertising to children.

There are lawsuits going after them and suddenly there is a lot of mass advertising for vaccinating, mass hysteria about rather benign illnesses, and mass media attention over one or two death cases to overshadow those gains. You know, who is going to pay attention to "Today a child wins millions of dollars" a bit ellistist and no death was involved so the "A child died today" headline grabs attention and makes money, regardless of the fact that they might have died of dehydration because Mom did not attend to her child well enough when they were sick.

There is coming a crash, just like the housing crash, in the medical world and we will feel unsafe and untrustful of our doctors, looking for second opinions or even weighing all our hope on real quacks.

What in God's name are you talking about??

Seriously....

Was there a point hidden in here somewhere??

Anything??

[Morphous01]

Originally Posted by NCInMyMind

That explains a lot.....

I'm just putting this out there; it's no attack on anybody but GuyNTexas is on target. Here is a pubmed article about how veterinary vaccines from six sources were found to be contaminated with mycoplasma. Mycoplasma is no joke, because it has the ability to cross the blood brain barrier and and lay dormant.


Anyhow, this is veterinary vaccines, so who is to say human vaccines aren't contaminated? A survey of mycoplasma detection in veterinary vac... [Vaccine. 1986] - PubMed result


According to this man, mycoplasma is in human vaccines.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lU12h6lWi9I

[Viralmd]

It may interest you to know that Mycoplasma hominis is a NORMAL commensal of the human vaginal tract. We have this organism NORMALLY.

And MANY organisms cross the blood-brain barrier. Otherwise we'd never see meningitis or encephalitis.

[GuyNTexas]

Originally Posted by bluedevilz

Yeah....

There is a good reason this "outrageous" infomercial is not front page news and on every "news" channel...

Blaylock is a first rate quack....

How typical .. he's a quack. Blaylock's resume is out there for everyone to see. He's a neurosurgeon, which requires the most in depth medical education and training of ALL medical specialties. And when it comes to brain disorders and neurotoxicity, there are no medical professionals more qualified to speak to those issues than a board certified neurosurgeon.

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Originally Posted by bluedevilz

There is no data to back up any of the outrageous bullet points you have listed....more fairy tales.

....some examples....

Per your "expert"

National Institute of Health published data showing that the H1N1 vaccine was between 67 -75% completely ineffective in children, though apparently no one bothered to read this or inform parents who are scurrying to get Junior vaccinated


The truth....

"NIAID Director Anthony Fauci, M.D., said in a Sept. 21 media briefing that a single 15-microgram dose of a nonadjuvanted vaccine against 2009 H1N1 influenza generated a robust immune response in 76 percent of 10- to 17-year-olds eight to 10 days after immunization."

One Dose of H1N1 Vaccine Immunogenic in High Percentage of Youth Ages 10 to 17 -- AAFP News Now -- American Academy of Family Physicians

Imagine that.....the exact OPPOSITE of the fairy tale you posted...

Per your expert....

Attention, word games won't work. First, you cite age 10-17 group, when it was clear I was referring to young children. But more importantly, and EVERYONE NEEDS TO PAY ATTENTION TO THIS PART because it's a clever play on words ... " ... generated a robust immune response" does NOT prove efficacy of preventing infection. There is an endless list of foreign matter that will generate an immune response when injected. And in so doing, you actually suppress the immune system by doing so, making you MORE vulnerable to infection. It's quite well established science that suppressed immune systems are less capable of defending against infection. Furthermore, I have posted several times the information contained in one of the flu vaccine product inserts that states quite clearly that "the mechanisms conferring protection after administration of the flu vaccine is not fully understood". (meaning: they don't know how it works)

But even more importantly, master studies (reviewing the actual data across several studies) performed shows that flu vaccine in children under 5 years of age showed zero efficacy. Children older than 5, showed minimal efficacy of 33% (67% ineffective), and ages 14-40 only 6% decrease in clinically diagnosed influenza infection.

Seven Inconvenient Truths About the 2009 H1N1 Flu Pandemic | HealthBeat News (http://healthbeatnews.com/news/archives/488 - broken link)

Originally Posted by bluedevilz

Hep B vaccine causes a 310% increase in MS in children

The truth...

"A study conducted in France from 1994 to 2003 (Mikaeloff, 2007) did not find a relationship between vaccination for hepatitis B and the development of childhood-onset multiple sclerosis. The 143 cases included children with onset of MS before age of 16 years. 1,122 control subjects were selected randomly from the general French population. The rate of a first episode of MS was not increased for hepatitis B vaccination."

CDC - Hepatitis B and Multiple Sclerosis ( MS) - Vaccine Safety

Imagine that....wrong again

Yes, everyone needs to become aware of how many studies and data is artificially manipulated. First, AND THIS IS IMPORTANT, the rate of MS diagnosed before the age of 16 is only 2-4% of all MS cases, or approximately 1/100,000. Therefore a singular study of 1,122 control subjects is as USELESS AS NO STUDY AT ALL. With such numbers, you could have a true and actual 200 fold or more increase in MS within that age group that could easily not appear in such a small and isolated control group. The study cited IS USELESS from a clinical perspective, and PROVES ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

It's the same thing with GBS ... which strikes 1/750,000, and they conduct a safety study that uses 5,000 subjects. Figures lie, and liars figure.

The ONLY way to show a correlation or lack thereof is to use all data across numerous studies to get enough baseline numbers that could possibly show anything meaningful.

Some may miss the point ... but I suspect the majority can easily see the smokescreen here.

Originally Posted by bluedevilz

Per your expert....

Contrary to reports from FDA/CDC the hard neurological science has proven mercury linked to autism and brain disorders. The combination of mercury and aluminum in the vaccines act synergistically, elevating their respective toxicity and damage.


Hard neurological science???? What exactly would that be since NO scientific evidence has EVER proven a link between autism and vaccines in general or thimerosal and/or mercury in particular...

I could post a thousand links to refute this fairy tale....here is the most quoted...

IOM Report: No Link between Vaccines and Austism: There Is No Link between Autism and the Measles-Mumps-Rubella (MMR) Vaccine or the Vaccine Preservative Thimerosal, According to a Report Released by the Institute of Medicine's (IOM) Immunization Safety Review Committee.

IOM Report: No Link between Vaccines and Austism There Is No Link between Autism and the Measles-Mumps-Rubella (MMR) Vaccine or the Vaccine Preservative Thimerosal, According to a Report Released by the Institute of Medicine's (IOM) Immunization Safe


0 for 3 for the good doctor so far

Once again, I acknowledge the fact that there are tons of sources within the mainstream medical circles that deny any link between autism and mercury containing thimerosal. And not one of them is without vested interests in supporting this ridiculous assertion.

Yet the neurotoxicity of mercury is UNDENIABLE. What is also undeniable is the accumulation of mercury across the many childhood vaccines that utilized thimerosal exceeded the EPA toxicity levels by thousands of times, and such cumulative amounts are totally ignored. The false argument between methylmercury and ethylmercury is also used, but that too is a smokescreen since animal studies using monkeys have shown a doubling of mercury accumulation in the brain tissue, and the associated inflammation that persisted for over 500 days after exposure of these animals injected with ethylmercury (thimerosal), compared to the organic methylmercury.

Also, neurological inflammation is closely associated with the onset of MS, by the way.

From the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences:

http://www.generationrescue.org/pdf/burbacher.pdf (broken link)

From the Journal of Toxicology and Environmental Health

http://www.generationrescue.org/pdf/encephalopathies.pdf (broken link)

From The International Journal of Toxicology

http://www.generationrescue.org/pdf/holmes2.pdf (broken link)

From The Neuroscientist

http://www.generationrescue.org/pdf/herbert.pdf (broken link)

From The Journal of Pediatrics

http://www.generationrescue.org/pdf/stajich.pdf (broken link)

From US House of Representatives report

http://www.generationrescue.org/pdf/burton.pdf (broken link)

Originally Posted by bluedevilz

I could go on....but really what's the point?

Exactly. What is the point? The point is exactly this ... basic common sense demands that the anecdotal evidence of a correlation between mercury containing vaccines and autism should be taken seriously, given the fact that mercury is a known neurotoxin, and autism is a neurological disease. One is not a "quack" to recognize the association between being poisoned and the presence of poison. Only a "quack" would try to claim that the second most toxic substance known to exist is perfectly safe to inject into babies, and then deny that this neurotoxic substance isn't the possible cause of an explosion of neurological diseases in those babies afterward.

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[GuyNTexas]

Originally Posted by Viralmd

It may interest you to know that Mycoplasma hominis is a NORMAL commensal of the human vaginal tract. We have this organism NORMALLY.

And MANY organisms cross the blood-brain barrier. Otherwise we'd never see meningitis or encephalitis.

One mycoplasma out of 100. The fact is that mycoplasma infection can cause a full spectrum of illness, minor and severe, depending on the status of the person infected is an extremely important issue.

The most OBVIOUS concern might consider that mycoplasma infection can cause pneumonia, so its quite relevant to be concerned with potential mycoplasma contamination in flu vaccines since secondary pneumonia infection is the most prevalent cause of death associated with the flu.

I'm not sure if this is just a diversion, or the 2 + 2 equation is escaping here.

[litlux]

I find it interesting that GuyNTexas who said "They (vaccines) don't prevent squat." references medical journals when they suit his purposes, but ignores the far greater number of articles that dispute and disprove his assertions.

There is little likelihood of changing such a mind - so I won't dispute what he says. He is entitled to believe as he chooses. Like those who love to use selective quotes from the Bible to prove I should convert to their brand of salvation, there is no arguing with such people.

Good luck to him, too.