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Old 10-23-2011, 11:07 PM
 
Location: White Castle
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In that case it would perhaps be more a matter of why Britain would ever wish to regain Jamaica as a colony?
Very little in it for them as far as i can see.
there's high quality marijuanna, delicious food, and curvy brown ladies with dreadlocks and cute accents in it for them.
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Old 10-23-2011, 11:49 PM
 
Location: White Castle
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On a serious note however:

The problem with countries that were under european rule, not the ones that were treated well, but the ones that suffered under them for hundreds of years is complicated.

People finally get to vote for who they want, but here's the problem. The people due to opression are mostly uneducated and ignorant. They don't understand the issues and they suffer from a sheep mentality.
So they vote for whoever is the most charismatic and contrasts the former rulers the most.

So they end up electing slick psychos with egos the size of the moon whose only interest is his bank account, power, and the size of his palace. Even the few that do get elected that want to do good in the end turn into horrible leaders cause they themselves don't understand the complexities of ruling an entire nation. Unlike english rulers who come from generations of rulers who know how to get things done.

So the people themselves are stuck inbetween a rock and a hard place without even knowing that's there reality. There damned if they do and damned if they don't. If they choose to be a colony than they are taken care of but ultimatly at the mercy of an outside force. If they choose to be independant than they are at the will of a new extremely corrupt system headed by idiots and greedy sociopaths that enforce that culture on there underlings.

Once elected some of these rulers if they lose popularity resort to gorilla tactics to ensure re-election. murder squads and extreme voter intimidation if poll rigging is not an option for them.

Once a country becomes idependant there is a gaurenteed at least hundred years of growing pains, and these growing pains are especially painful. The growing pains will cost lots of lives and ruin many others and will last for hundreds of years.

Just imagine if after 1965 instead of blacks getting equal rights, every white man in a position of prominance was kicked out of the country, all the whites left and new laws were passed that only black men from the ghetto could be elected to a public office. This is pretty much the reality for most of these places. The people running things themselves are very oppressed angry people from the slum with no knowlege of how things work. Or they come from a family of sellouts who were prominant during white rule because they were sellouts, so they ultimatly don't give a damn about there own people.

I don't see jamaica getting its stuff together anytime in this century without outside help.

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Old 10-09-2013, 10:49 AM
 
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Being a state means having the privileges and rights of being part of that nation. Colonialism means being ruled by another nation, without really having the full benefits.
Then they should go the route of Martinique and Guadeloupe. Both are integral parts of France. They are overseas equal departments of France just like any other department.

Jamaica if they want can opt to be an integral part of the UK.
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Old 10-09-2013, 10:55 AM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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How is colonialism different than statehood?
States are sovereign and self governing to a large degree independent of the federal government. In the US, the only thing that can nullify a state law is if it goes against the constitution. Beyond that, states can pass laws even if it goes against federal law so long as it's not against the constitution. Colorado and Washington legalizing pot are prime examples.

A colony is ruled directly by the federal government with no sovereignty at all. They cannot pass their own laws. Perhaps for Jamaica something like a Puerto Rico type arrangement would work.
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Old 10-09-2013, 11:09 AM
 
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there's high quality marijuanna, delicious food, and curvy brown ladies with dreadlocks and cute accents in it for them.
But you can take a vacation to Jamaica pretty easily from the UK as it is... It's not like they need it to be part of their sovereign territory or get some benefit by ruling it when it comes to going on 'oliday.
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Old 11-11-2013, 04:29 PM
 
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However Jamaica is still part of the British "common wealth" , isn't that some sort of colonialism when you think about it?
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Old 11-11-2013, 05:19 PM
 
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However Jamaica is still part of the British "common wealth" , isn't that some sort of colonialism when you think about it?

The Commonwealth is now without meaning. Every one is pursuing their own destiny, separate from this, especially the UK.
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Old 11-11-2013, 05:20 PM
 
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They might want to think so as distance has dulled the memories of the more negative aspects of colonialism.

The fcat remains that the UK does NOT want that headache.
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Old 11-11-2013, 05:23 PM
 
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Hence the reason why most those islands of the West Indies may well have done better to remain British and not allowing national pride to over rule smartness.
Don't think the French islands of Martinique or Guadeloppe are in any hurry. Getting French social security living in such a place one can only assume must be an ever to slight dissentive to work?

The French Antilles are a mess.
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Old 11-11-2013, 05:26 PM
 
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Cayman Islands, well, aren't they infamous for money laundry, offshoring, tax evasion, and other dubious business practices? I don't think that is a sound foundation for a real country with sizable populations like all the African countries.

What would the Cayman Islands be but for off shore finance, which is increasingly under threat with the UK leading the charge against it?
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