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View Poll Results: Best city for families
Houston, Texas 9 45.00%
Los Angeles, California 2 10.00%
Rio de Janiero, Brazil 9 45.00%
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Old 08-03-2011, 12:03 PM
 
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If Brazil had to rely on tourism, we would be bankrupt already. The number of foreign tourists visiting Brazil each year is ridiculously small. We are very underrated as a touristic destination, and the foreign press over exaggerate the problems with crime and violence.

Fortunately, our economy relies much more on the exports of the Embraer airplanes and executive jets than it relies on tourism.
Some of that is Brasil's fault. I am not sure if they require Europeans to get a VISA to come to Brasil, but they do require Americans to do so. Sometimes you can mail it in, but some jurisdictions require you to go in person and they are mess. I do realize that the USA makes Brasilians go through a much worse process to get a Visa to enter the US, but still it hurts tourism there.

Second, it is so expensive to fly to Brasil these days. A few years ago a round trip cost under $1000 but now the cost can be around $2000 for a very long flight. It is usually a 24 hour process, and a big pain in the ass.

Third, Brasil has recently started promoting itself in the US, but a few years ago they did almost no advertising. There are Americans who have no clue where there own state is on a map, or where DC is, much less where is Brasil. There are Americans who think Brasil is in Africa or next to Mexico.

Fourth, it has become expensive. A city like SP or Rio can easily be as costly as an American city, but even cheaper areas of Brasil are not cheap these days for Americans. Dollar has declined and Real has increased. Maybe Euros go further.
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Old 08-03-2011, 12:33 PM
 
Location: Fortaleza, Brazil
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Some of that is Brasil's fault. I am not sure if they require Europeans to get a VISA to come to Brasil, but they do require Americans to do so. Sometimes you can mail it in, but some jurisdictions require you to go in person and they are mess. I do realize that the USA makes Brasilians go through a much worse process to get a Visa to enter the US, but still it hurts tourism there.

Second, it is so expensive to fly to Brasil these days. A few years ago a round trip cost under $1000 but now the cost can be around $2000 for a very long flight. It is usually a 24 hour process, and a big pain in the ass.

Third, Brasil has recently started promoting itself in the US, but a few years ago they did almost no advertising. There are Americans who have no clue where there own state is on a map, or where DC is, much less where is Brasil. There are Americans who think Brasil is in Africa or next to Mexico.

Fourth, it has become expensive. A city like SP or Rio can easily be as costly as an American city, but even cheaper areas of Brasil are not cheap these days for Americans. Dollar has declined and Real has increased. Maybe Euros go further.

I agree that some of that is Brasil's fault. Specially about the lack of advertising and promotion.

About visas, it's all a matter of the principle of reciprocity. Brazil adopts the principle of reciprocity in its diplomatic relations. Brazilian citizens are not required a visa to enter the European Union, so, citizens from the European Union are not required a visa to enter Brazil. Maybe this is one reason why there are much more European tourists in Brazil than American tourists.

And yes, many things here are expensive, although some things are cheaper, specially food and beverages. And the exchange rate is not helping tourism, since the Brazilian currency (Real) is currently overvalued.
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Old 08-03-2011, 02:01 PM
 
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I agree that some of that is Brasil's fault. Specially about the lack of advertising and promotion.

About visas, it's all a matter of the principle of reciprocity. Brazil adopts the principle of reciprocity in its diplomatic relations. Brazilian citizens are not required a visa to enter the European Union, so, citizens from the European Union are not required a visa to enter Brazil. Maybe this is one reason why there are much more European tourists in Brazil than American tourists.

And yes, many things here are expensive, although some things are cheaper, specially food and beverages. And the exchange rate is not helping tourism, since the Brazilian currency (Real) is currently overvalued.
I understand why Brasil requires Americans to get a visa. I personally dont blame them. However, I feel it hurts Brasil much more than America. The whole process is a big turnoff for lots of Americans. Also the process of getting an American visa is much more serious. You need to make an appointment to one of the 5-6 consulates in Brasil, go in person, wait in line for several hours dealing with rude staff, and then have an interview where they can deny you for any reason. The brazilian Visa process is pretty much guaranteed as long as you dont make any mistakes on your application form and pay the small fee. It is just an annoyance. You can even mail it in.

I would love for America to open up more to Brasil, but let's face it Brasil is really cutting off its nose to spite the face.

Yes, food and drinks can be cheap in brasil Even really high quality food that would cost a lot in the USA can be cheap in Brasil. Labor also tends to be cheap. What is not cheap is transportation, lodging (if you want to stay somewhere acceptable), medicine, etc. I dont know how the poor people make it in Brasil. Every time I go to brasil I bring some metamucil for my mother in law because it cost its weight in gold in brasil.
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Old 08-04-2011, 07:51 AM
 
Location: Fortaleza, Brazil
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Medicines are really expensive here. Poor people usually buy the "generic" medicines, which has no brand name, only the scientific name. The laboratories that produce the "generics" have some tax exemptions. Unfortunately, not all branded medicines have a "generic" counterpart.

Some kinds of medicines can be bought at subsidized prices in the "Farmacia Popular" social program.
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Old 08-04-2011, 12:34 PM
 
Location: Denver
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What is not cheap is transportation, lodging (if you want to stay somewhere acceptable), medicine, etc. I dont know how the poor people make it in Brasil.
Not to mention the insane prices of retail goods such as computers, iPods, clothes (American brands, at least), etc.
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Old 08-04-2011, 06:13 PM
 
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If I were u I would choose Rio. I hear Huston sucks.
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Old 08-04-2011, 07:54 PM
 
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Not to mention the insane prices of retail goods such as computers, iPods, clothes (American brands, at least), etc.
I dont buy them when I am in Brasil. I never lived there longer for a year at a time. I dont buy clothes, electronics, etc.
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Old 08-04-2011, 08:30 PM
 
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If I were u I would choose Rio. I hear Huston sucks.
Houston doesn't suck. It's just not particualry a very interesting a city. There are things to do, but really it's definitely not a very dynamic city at all. Especially when compared to Rio and Los Angeles.
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