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View Poll Results: Sao Paulo vs Toronto
Sao Paulo 8 47.06%
Toronto 9 52.94%
Voters: 17. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 07-28-2011, 10:34 PM
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Out of the two cities, which has the better restaurants, museums, landmarks, architecture, scenery, universities, nightlife, public transportation, arts, better for the youth, parks, etc? Which city would you rather live in, and why?
-things to do
-transportation network
-quality of downtown at street level
-public realm
-quality of life
-quality of parks, recreational facilities, bike paths, etc.

And any other things you can think of.
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Old 07-29-2011, 01:23 AM
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What type of comparison is this?

Of course Sao Paulo beats Toronto!

Toronto is a small village compared to Sao Paulo, the two can't really be compared, IMO.

But, since you asked:

-urbanity: Sao Paulo is much more urban.

-streetscape: Toronto is less gritty.

-liveliness: Sao Paulo

-arts: Sao Paulo

-things to do: Sao Paulo

-transportation network: Sao Paulo

-aesthetics: When Sao Paulo is nice, its really nice!

-quality of downtown at street level: Not really comparable since Sao Paulo is a multi-center city, doesn't really have a downtown, but rather several downtowns, if you will. I still give Sao Paulo the head in this.

-public realm: Toronto is better kept.

-quality of life: Sao Paulo

-quality of parks, recreational facilities, bike paths, etc.: Sao Paulo

Here, take a look:

TORONTO: Google Maps

SAO PAULO: São Paulo - Estado de São Paulo, Brasil - Google Maps
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Old 07-29-2011, 01:59 AM
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Most cities in the world are 'like a village' compared to Sao Paulo. Toronto isn't a small city (the Canada census coming out at the end of 2011 should have the horseshoe area around Toronto (22 to 30 thousand sq km's) around or over 10 million people). Brazil is known for its ethnic diversity and Toronto is one of the most ethnically diverse cities in the world. Both are great cities but Toronto gets the edge for its restaurants, diversity, potential to expand (spread out), top universities, film industry (Total Recall is being produced there in 2011, Bollywood has shown interest in Toronto, Toronto International Film Festival) and economy (TSX is 40% bigger than BM&F Bovespa). Comparing national economies, Brazil's nominal gdp is 33.4% larger than Canada's however Canada's exports are 103.3% larger. Brazil produces 76% more vehicles than Canada (though as recently as 2005 Canada produced more) but Canada has the world's second largest oil reserves (13X more than Brazil though Canada production currently is only 27.9% more).

Considering ethic diversity, Toronto's smaller population should help its case since the area's Chinese, East Indian, Jewish, Greek and French communities might be much larger than Sao Paulo's. The Italian and German communities are strong too but probably not as big as in some of Brazil's cities.

Toronto has great transportation networks but with one of the busiest highways in the world going through the city, there's lots of traffic. There are lots of things to do (mlb, nba, nhl, cfl, zoo, Canada's Wonderland, Royal Ontario Museum, shopping) but they aren't very affordable, that's where Sao Paulo would do better. Crime isn't as bad in Toronto (70% of homicides go unsolved in Brazil double that of the USA). For travelling New York City, Chicago, Montreal and Niagara Falls are easy to get to by highway or trains.

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Old 07-29-2011, 03:17 AM
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Toronto has hockey.
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Old 07-29-2011, 03:42 AM
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Culturally I feel so much closer to Toronto (I'm a French speaking Canadian), although I like tropical climates, I would NEVER chose Sao Paulo over Toronto ! (but over Calgary or "Winterpeg" in an heartbeat, although I'm not enthusiastic about Sao Paulo, giant metropolitan areas or Brazil)
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Old 07-29-2011, 03:35 PM
Location: West Hollywood, CA
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this comparison made me lol...

Sao Paulo > Toronto
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Old 07-29-2011, 03:50 PM
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For me definitely São Paulo.
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Old 07-29-2011, 10:35 PM
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Toronto is a very impressive city with it's ethnic diversity and international ethnic atmosphere.

However, I was actually surprised how small the city felt driving around it in the car. Sao Paulo, on the other, just spreads out forever with skyscrapers absolutely everywhere.

Biggest downside I see to Toronto is the weather. I grew up nearby in Michigan...and the majority of the year, you just feel stuck inside the house - unless you love snow. But, things are fairly flat. So, it's not like you have slopes all about that others might generally associate with snow.

I could see arguments for both....either Toronto and Sao Paulo.
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Old 08-01-2011, 07:47 AM
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Originally Posted by Antonio84 View Post
-quality of life: Sao Paulo
Interesting you would pick Sao Paulo over Toronto for quality of life. Sao Paolo is undoubtedly more exciting than Toronto, but quality of life is generally related to places that get the everyday, boring stuff right. For example, crime, traffic, pollution. On these fronts, when you consider that the very rich in Sao Paulo have resorted to helicopters to avoid the traffic chaos, carjackings and other unpleasantness on the ground, "less exciting" Toronto probably offers a better quality of life.
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Old 08-01-2011, 10:18 AM
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I have been to Toronto several times, but never to Sao Paulo. Sao Paulo looks way too third world for my preference and the culture doesn't seem too interesting. I have a friend who is moving to Sao Paulo on this site from Boston, looking forward to hearing about his experiences once he is there.
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