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Old 08-17-2011, 03:28 PM
 
Location: On a Long Island in NY
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The Government or somebody needs to start a movement/cultural revolution in which discipline, civility/non-violence and value of education is further emphasized. Parents need to be far more strict on their children's education, parents need to start bringing back whoopins; I think it's totally reasonable to whip your kid if they get anything less than an excellent grade in school! You know.. start with the younger generations.

YES, that is not an easy thing to do. I 100% realize that.


I think Jamaicans and other high-crime nations throughout the world can learn a lot from East Asians since they are a very disciplined, productive and focused people as a whole.

But Jamaicans are strong people, they went through the Rastafarian movement and others. So at least we can say it's possible.
That won't happen because Bruce Golding thinks it's more important for him to be called president instead of prime minister. Screw the people! His ego trip is more important.

These places are not capable of fully governing themselves, sorry but it's the truth. If 50 years after independence only 17% of your population says independence was a good thing then that indicates that some huge mistakes were made and need to be addressed. Perhaps Jamaica could consider becoming a British Crown Dependency ... more self government then as a British Overseas Territory but none of the negative issues that come with full independence. It's sort of like the " Free Association" that the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands of Jersey and Guernsey have with the United Kingdom. These places are completely independent but delegate their defense and foreign affairs to the British and in return get British citizenship, free right of access to the UK/British Overseas Territories, reduced tuition at British colleges/universities, and all the other perks of being a British citizen. Airports, schools, hospitals, public works projects, etc are heavily subsided by the British and so forth.
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Old 08-17-2011, 11:29 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Rastafarianism. Enough said...
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Old 08-18-2011, 07:51 AM
 
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That won't happen because Bruce Golding thinks it's more important for him to be called president instead of prime minister. Screw the people! His ego trip is more important.

These places are not capable of fully governing themselves, sorry but it's the truth. If 50 years after independence only 17% of your population says independence was a good thing then that indicates that some huge mistakes were made and need to be addressed. Perhaps Jamaica could consider becoming a British Crown Dependency ... more self government then as a British Overseas Territory but none of the negative issues that come with full independence. It's sort of like the " Free Association" that the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands of Jersey and Guernsey have with the United Kingdom. These places are completely independent but delegate their defense and foreign affairs to the British and in return get British citizenship, free right of access to the UK/British Overseas Territories, reduced tuition at British colleges/universities, and all the other perks of being a British citizen. Airports, schools, hospitals, public works projects, etc are heavily subsided by the British and so forth.
The fact of the matter is, this is not going to happen. Britain is does not want to have anything to do with Jamaica other than vacationing. They all ready think negatively of Jamaicans and would love nothing better than to get rid of the Jamaican population in their country.
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Old 08-18-2011, 07:53 AM
 
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Rastafarianism. Enough said...
Rastafarianism? Are you serious? If that would fix some of the problems that Jamaica has then that would have been done a long time ago. I don't see any Rastas going out and creating literacy programs or health clinics in Jamaica.
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Old 08-18-2011, 08:46 AM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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jtur88.....
You sate that you need to "fix" the culture and then the crime rate will drop. Wrong.
In Jamaica the crime rate is not a result of the culture but rather an intrical part of. Jamaica main cultural activity seems to be harrasing, beating, and even killing homosexuals for no other reason than the newest raggae song encourages them to.
If Jamaicans want to live in a civilized society they have to start acting like civilized people.
Thank you. That's the culture. Needs to be fixed.

(It's "integral".)
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Old 08-21-2011, 07:34 AM
 
Location: now nyc
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That won't happen because Bruce Golding thinks it's more important for him to be called president instead of prime minister. Screw the people! His ego trip is more important.

These places are not capable of fully governing themselves, sorry but it's the truth. If 50 years after independence only 17% of your population says independence was a good thing then that indicates that some huge mistakes were made and need to be addressed. Perhaps Jamaica could consider becoming a British Crown Dependency ... more self government then as a British Overseas Territory but none of the negative issues that come with full independence. It's sort of like the " Free Association" that the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands of Jersey and Guernsey have with the United Kingdom. These places are completely independent but delegate their defense and foreign affairs to the British and in return get British citizenship, free right of access to the UK/British Overseas Territories, reduced tuition at British colleges/universities, and all the other perks of being a British citizen. Airports, schools, hospitals, public works projects, etc are heavily subsided by the British and so forth.
What do you mean by "these places"; there are places in the Caribbean that are just about fully self-governing. The Dominican Republic is one, as well as Barbados and the Bahamas (yes, Barbados and The Bahamas is in the Commonwealth but is still considered an independent nation just like Canada, Australia, New Zealand and any other commonwealth nation).

Barbados has a good quality of life and the DR's quality of life is not too horrible compared to other developing nations. Look at Barbados's Human Development Index ranking which measures quality of life, they got into the highest category possible (it's ranked the highest in the entire Western Hemisphere outside of the USA and Canada. Barbados and The Bahamas is even ranked higher than Argentina, Uruguay, Mexico and Chile). The UN even considers Barbados a developed nation:
REFERENCE OF INFO-Indices & Data | Human Development Reports (HDR) | United Nations Development Programme (UNDP)

The reason why Barbados is fairly successful and Jamaica is not is b/c Jamaica had a pro-black movement after independence which seperated it from England and much of Western world while Barbados maintained it's ties with England. Jamaica still suffers the effect of not maintaining ties with the west.
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Old 08-21-2011, 12:08 PM
 
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The reason why Barbados is fairly successful and Jamaica is not is b/c Jamaica had a pro-black movement after independence which seperated it from England and much of Western world while Barbados maintained it's ties with England. Jamaica still suffers the effect of not maintaining ties with the west.
I never thought about it that way, but it makes sense. You see what has happened to Haiti when the Blacks fought for their own independence and won.
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Old 08-21-2011, 10:22 PM
 
Location: Duluth, Minnesota, USA
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By going to the resorts, and even more by buying trinkets, gifts, and food from the local markets.
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Old 08-22-2011, 12:40 PM
 
Location: BC Canada
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Jamaica will never attain the staure of a civilized society and nation as, quite frankly, Jamaicans overwhelmingly don't understand what it means.
There is little respect for the rule of law and even less for Human and Civil Rights. You cannot attain something you do not understand.
Jamaicans have created an intolerant, uncivilized, and violent society. Their current government and public institutions reflect that reality.
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Old 08-23-2011, 07:59 AM
 
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Rastafarianism? Are you serious? If that would fix some of the problems that Jamaica has then that would have been done a long time ago. I don't see any Rastas going out and creating literacy programs or health clinics in Jamaica.
I only know rasta's in Kenya and Cuba. In general all they do is smoke marihuana and looking for white (preferably female) tourists to abuse and part of their money. I've never seen a rasta work.

Their whole religion is also so senseless. Come on, their hero is an Ethiopian tyrant in one of the poorest nations on earth who let starve his own people, emperor Haile Selasie... and that emperor, as many Ethiopians, wasn't really black.

I like Bob Marley and jamaican music and dancing. Rasta's are good for fun, that's all they're good at. So leave the rasta's to the entertainment industry and let serious people run the country please...
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