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Old 09-12-2011, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Vineland, NJ
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I confess that the first few times I got to visit American forums on the Internet, I found it very strange that there were so many threads and discussions about race. In the Brazilian forums on the Internet it's extremely rare to see any thread or discussion about race. It's a largely ignored subject.
I guess thats what happens when you live in the most racially diverse country in Earth.

 
Old 09-12-2011, 04:53 PM
 
Location: West Coast
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It would be nice to visit a place that doesn't have race on the brain all the time.
 
Old 09-12-2011, 06:13 PM
 
Location: Miami / Florida / U.S.A.
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I am unclear on where the line is between a 'Pardo' and 'Black-Brazilian'.

Is race in Brazil more determined by ancestral factors or just by appearance?
Why is that important?
 
Old 09-13-2011, 06:48 AM
 
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Sure.

This explains why a white Latin American will have his/her whiteness challenged in the US (even the ones who are descendants of recent European immigrants to Latin America), but white Americans are accepted as white pretty much everywhere in Latin America.

Would you care to explain that paradox?

There's more, so let me know if you want me to continue.
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The paradox is that Americans still live in the XVIth Century (Black Legend).

Why can you expect from someone that can't place his country in a world map?

Anyways, we are not discussing why North Americans are atavic or not, who cares?

We are talking about race in Brazil.

We are not talking about PR or DR, but about a country that received more than 50 million immigrants from the Old World during the last 150 years.
 
Old 09-13-2011, 12:50 PM
 
Location: Fortaleza, Brazil
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We are not talking about PR or DR, but about a country that received more than 50 million immigrants from the Old World during the last 150 years.
More than 90% of whom arrived in Brazil between 150 and 70 years ago, and less than 10% arrived in the last 70 years.
 
Old 09-13-2011, 04:25 PM
 
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More than 90% of whom arrived in Brazil between 150 and 70 years ago, and less than 10% arrived in the last 70 years.
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So?
Just about the same time bracket that recent European immigration into the US, or even far more recent.
Just look at the facts, the president of Brazil is the daughter of a Bulgarian and the national dish of Sao Pao is the Italian Salami Sandwich.
Of course, reality does not bear any resemblance with all the nationalistic crap.

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Old 09-14-2011, 08:12 AM
 
Location: Fortaleza, Brazil
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How many years did you lived in Brazil, Manolón, to consider yourself a specialist?

President Dilma Roussef has a Bulgarian father WHO MIXED WITH A BRAZILIAN WOMAN. There are very few Brazilians of Bulgarian descent, the father of president Dilma was one of the few Bulgarians who came to Brazil, in a time when very few immigrants were still coming to Brazil, during the 40's, the last decade of significant foreign immigration to Brazil.

Former Brazilian president, Lula da Silva, was the typical mixed race Northeastern, with Portuguese, African and Indigenous ancestry.

And people in Sao Paulo eat Feijoada (the true European-African-Indigenous dish) as much as any Italian dish. By the way, we love the same Italian dishes up here in the Northeast, we love pizza, and not a single Italian immigrant came to here. The Italians influenced the Brazilian food in a much greater extent than they influenced the Brazilian DNA or skin color.
 
Old 09-14-2011, 12:55 PM
 
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I receive plenty of Brazilians here, in Spain, and they are entirely European.
Never seen any mixed Brazilian among my customers.
The only difference is that they are big, tall and big.
I don't think there's any mixing at their socioeconomic level, none.
In fact, I don't think they socialize with many Brazilians outside their specific ethnic and social group.
I guess that mixed Brazilian want all Brazilians to be black, and Nationalism is also interested in all that crap, but that's not the case among high middle class, or middle class.
The fact that Roussef's mother is Brazilian does not imply she's black or has black or indian blood, that's ridiculous, and Lula might want to appear as mixed to attract all the rabble, but he's clearly of Portuguese extraction.
 
Old 09-14-2011, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Fortaleza, Brazil
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I receive plenty of Brazilians here, in Spain, and they are entirely European.
Never seen any mixed Brazilian among my customers.
The only difference is that they are big, tall and big.
I don't think there's any mixing at their socioeconomic level, none.
In fact, I don't think they socialize with many Brazilians outside their specific ethnic and social group.
I guess that mixed Brazilian want all Brazilians to be black, and Nationalism is also interested in all that crap, but that's not the case among high middle class, or middle class.
The fact that Roussef's mother is Brazilian does not imply she's black or has black or indian blood, that's ridiculous, and Lula might want to appear as mixed to attract all the rabble, but he's clearly of Portuguese extraction.
Wow! You only receive "gauchos" (people from the state of Rio Grande do Sul) as customers on your business in Spain! Incredible! And the football player Ronaldinho Gaucho is not included among your customers! It seems that your sample of Brazilians is a little flawed, and without much statistical validity...

Let's talk seriously. Just a tip for you: all your "white" customers have some black and indigenous DNA, you like it or not. They like it or not. If they think they are "pure white", just ask them about who their 8 great-grandfathers are. They will probably know who 4 or 5 are, and ignore the social and racial origin of the other 4 or 3...




Just to clarify your mind, take a look at some of Brazil's 81 senators:

(All pictures from Wikipedia - Wikimedia Commons)


Senator Edison Lobăo Filho:





Senator Paulo Paim:





Senator Vicentinho Alves:





Senator Geovani Borges:


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/af/Abb14ee6a43d145b99f35d3fe2c0afc5c-20100202.JPG/600px-Abb14ee6a43d145b99f35d3fe2c0afc5c-20100202.JPG (broken link)



This is incredible! All those nordic "pure white" senators with no racial mixing! Brazil is a viking country!
 
Old 09-14-2011, 04:21 PM
 
Location: Fortaleza, Brazil
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For those who have doubts about the fact that Brazil is a mixed race country, a "rainbow" country where people from all kinds of skin shades integrate and hang out together, I recommend visiting the district of Lapa, in the city of Rio de Janeiro.

Lapa is the district of the bars and pubs, where the youth of Rio de Janeiro go at Saturday nights to have a beer and enjoy good music.

Take a look at this video shot in 2009 at "Bar Balneário da Lapa", one of the many bars on that district:



Can you see Brazilians of all skin shades having fun together, enjoying the "samba" and the beer?

Well... THIS is Brazil. Lapa is the synthesis of Brazil.
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