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View Poll Results: Is raced discussed in The Americas 24/7
Yes, Latin Americas think about race all the time 1 33.33%
No, this board has been invaded by race extremists. 2 66.67%
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Old 10-07-2013, 05:33 PM
 
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This isn't anything special. The USA is just like this. There have been a few studies done that confirm that the USA is very mixed.

If only humanity can realized that we are all human beings.

The US is diverse, not mixed. Anglo America didn't practice miscegenation to an extent to what was practiced in Latin America.

 
Old 10-08-2013, 04:24 AM
 
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By the way, does anyone know any similar study about the mitochondrial DNA of the people of the USA?

It would be interesting to know how many percent of Americans have Native American mitochondrial DNA or African mitochondrial DNA...
I believe there have been some done on USA, but I'd have to look for it. I think I had found one that was done when I stumbled upon it by accident.
 
Old 10-08-2013, 04:56 AM
 
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The US is diverse, not mixed. Anglo America didn't practice miscegenation to an extent to what was practiced in Latin America.
I don't know about that. The USA is definitely very diverse, but its also very mixed race. It actually is very mixed. But it's not true at all. Anglo America had just as much mixing as other places if not more than any others. The USA is very mixed. Many populations that are classified as or self identified as "white" or as "black" are muchos the time very significantly mixed. How mixed is mixed for you? What is the starting point or ending point of "mixed".


Keep in mind that slavery in the USA was not based on race. It was MATRILINEAL. There were slaves of ALL races. There were many slaves that were white as well too. Many Irish and Scottish were slaves and indentured servants. Many African male slaves and African mald indentured servants would be in relationships with Irish female slaves and indentured servants and they would have children with each other. Henry Louis Gates Jr who has long deep ancestral roots in colonial Virginia is the descendant of African male and Irish and other European female unions and relationships going back to the colonial period.

Also during antebellum era colonial period, your race was determined based on how you looked like. There was no such thing as a one drop rule or rule of hypodescent. If a person looked white then they were generally taken for and as white and listed and categorized ad white. It went by face value and appearance. If you looked mixed then you were listed as mixed. There were many mixed race persons that even had known African ancestry and were accepted as WHITE while being publicly known to have African ancestry. One drop rule doesn't exist until mainly the 1930s.

There were and have always been lots of triracial isolates groups in various regions of the USA such as the groups known as I.E. Melungeons, Jackson Whites, Brass Ankles, Redbones and many others. Colonial Virginia is an example had lots of race mixing and if you go to the Carolinas, especially South Carolina there was lots of heavy mixing. The DMV area was very mixed. New England states had lots of mixing too and certain parts of Georgia. In other areas lots of mixing occurred as well. Even after the 13 original colonies gained independence from Britain after 1776, mixing still occurred and would go on whether it was through rape or consensual. After slavery mixing occuref as well. Also keep in mind of multigenerational multiracially (MGM) mixed race peoples. MGM mixed race peoples are those who descend from mixed people that married other mixed people and so forth. Ohio for example has a community of people that claim to be black and they are literally the WHITEST looking blacks you'll ever see. It's like one drop rule to the max on steroids times 10. Lol

In the Midwest and around the Great lakes area there were many multigen communities that would socially interact with and have children with multigens as they couldn't fit into one race or the other. Racial mixing has always occurred.

Also remember that mulatto and mixed race distinctions and categories existed all throughout the colonial period and throughout all USA censuses. After 1930 the mulatto category was eliminated and the one drop rule was first legally implemented in the 1930s. Many mulattos and mixed race peoples had to get used to conforming to or being victimized by the racist one drop rule. It was only in the mid 1960s that one drop rule began dismantling and finally in 1967 thanks to the Loving Vs. Virginia case that the one drop rule was eradicated and declared ilegal forever PERIOD! Thus mixed race identity, culture, and consciousness was restored.

Also there were many states that didn't have bans on interracial marriage. Even in states where interracial marriage was banned or illegal interracial still had sex and still had interracial children. Not to mention that most Americans were racially mixed anyways or already had significant mixed race ancestral populations when the Civil War ended. Keep in mind that immigration also altered the demographics of the nation as well. Also plenty of ppl had illegitimate children as well as children within their own races. This is common worldwide. Also many Africans that were being imported to the Americas already had Arab admixture since Arabs had conquered much of Afroca and had already been engaging in probably the largest exploitation and slave trade ever known to mankind. Many Africans already had Arab and other admixture since ancient times. Many Africans that arrived to the New World had been Arabized and even Muslims due to colonialism from Arabs going back to ancient times.

In fact it was the British that got ideas and methods for colonization and divide and conquer and skin color and racial gradations terms and the "Black Codes" doctrine of law from the Spanish and Portuguese who got such ideas and racist beliefs from the Arabs originally. British got and derived much of their models on colonization abroad from the Spanish, French, and Portuguese.

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Old 11-07-2013, 01:30 AM
 
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This is an interesting yet very controversial documentary on race, racism, and racial and ethnic discrimination in Brazil:

ADIFF 2013 Preview - Documentary 'RAA' ('RACE') Will Tackle Racial Inequality In Brazil | Shadow and Act
 
Old 11-07-2013, 01:32 AM
 
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Both the USA and Latin America are so very racially mixed. It's not rocket science and anyone who thinks otherwise is blind.
 
Old 01-08-2014, 08:13 PM
 
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Essays on the U.S. Color Line Blog Archive Myths Across the Color Line
 
Old 01-09-2014, 12:25 AM
 
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Because:
1) There were already a lot of people there from Race A
2) A lot of colonials came there from Race B
3) They brought a lot of slaves from Race C.
Then they mixed.
Perfect!
 
Old 01-09-2014, 04:11 AM
 
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Only a small percentage of Africans were brought to what was to become the US. It may have been only around 5% of the total number taken from Africa. The rest were taken to South America. Some historians have suggested that one of the advantages settlers in early America had was they brought women with them.
 
Old 01-09-2014, 05:06 AM
 
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Think about it a little better, and you will realize that's IMPOSSIBLE.

Every single "white" in any Latin-American country has (as every human being has) 16 great-great-grandparents.

16.

In a country where the majority of the population is mixed-race, it's almost impossible that at least ONE of those 16 great-great-grandparents wasn't mixed race.

If you are Latin-American, it's almost sure that at least one of your 16 great-great-grandparents was mixed race (even if your great-great-grandparent was just one quarter black or one quarter indigenous).

And if one of your 16 great-great-grandparents was mixed race, then you are not "pure white".

"Pure white" in Latin America is extremely rare.
Your premise is faulty. You're assuming all 16 great-great-parents were born in Latin America, where in certain cases that's not true of a single one of them.

I can't guarantee that someone like say Thiago Splitter has no black or Indian blood at all, but it seems unlikely:


 
Old 01-09-2014, 10:40 PM
 
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Latin Americans are just as racist as the USA is. Although each nation has it's own unique cultures and histories. However there is much more percieved racial tension in the USA, even though race is really just a crutch and barrier taking the guise of class.

Latin Americans tend to stress class more than race and racism. Latin America has a great deal of colorism though.

And there is no one drop rule. The USA is just as mixed race if not more, than all of the Latin American nations combined. USA is also racially diverse while at the same time mixed race.

As for the misnomers and terms of African American (AA) and Black, people need to keep in mind that AA and black do NOT mean the same thing.

AAs are an ETHNIC group comprised of mostly multiracially mixed race peoples. AAs can be of any race. Black is more so a sociopolitical term that corresponds to an ethnic like usage in it's semantics. A person is either a member of an ethnicity/ethnic group or NOT. So therefore, one's ethnicity can not be diluted or broken down into fractions. A person never loses membership from an/their ethnic group or ethnicity. You can belong to more than one ethnicity or ethnic group. A person's race or racial admixtures can be broken down into factions or or degrees. So technically most AAs are NOT racially black people. They are all mostly mixed race. Some AAs are racially black, but they make up a minority of the AA ethnic community. And in some cases AAs are and can be white. In fact about 5% of AAs have been found to have absolutely little or NO African ancestry at all. That's because being AA is about a shared experience, having gone through surviving chattel slavery, and surviving Jim Crow and later on the imposition of racist segrationist one droppism and of course the positive uplifting and unifying Civil Rights movement, and thus a unique AA experience.

As for Latin America, if a person is raised in the black community or black culture and is mixed, then they are in fact black and often by choice identify as black because it's what they are raised in or as.

In addition, Afrodescendant and black do NOT mean the same thing.

Here is a controversial topic. Afro-Latinos. Many equate it to Black Latinos. Others see it as Latino Afrodescendientes of all looks. For me, as Latino is an ethnic term, Afro-Latino is such as well. A Latino who has strong African ties in his culture/heritage. Not all Latino Afrodescendientes are Afro-Latino. Many have been completely absorbed by the mainstream. But here is a consideration, many Latinos that are not Afrodescendientes, especially in places like Cuba, adopted African practices, like Santeria, or joining societies like Abaku and kp. We could argue that many are Afro-Latinos as well. Their culture and identity is definitely Latino with heavy African overtones.
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