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View Poll Results: Is raced discussed in The Americas 24/7
Yes, Latin Americas think about race all the time 1 33.33%
No, this board has been invaded by race extremists. 2 66.67%
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Old 07-23-2014, 08:57 PM
 
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Technically speaking, the concept of race has no meaning. You could line up the entire world population from the blondest, straightest hair, whitest-skinned person to the blackest, kinkiest hair, darkest skin person and no one could put a finger on where one "race" begins and another ends. "Race" is a sociopolitical term used to maintain one "race's" financial superiority over another. "Race" is what the "majority" uses against the "minority".

 
Old 07-23-2014, 09:00 PM
 
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If many colonists were Jews, they converted to Catholicism very quickly because there is not much evidence that Judaism was practiced. That place was so poor and isolated they probably didn't care much about keeping their religion, especially when most were men who arrived alone and not in families like the Portuguese in Brazil.

It is true there is a lot of African heritage there. You can find many slave records in every region in Antioquia including the so called "white" areas. A lot of mixing has taking place ever since slavery was abolished also. I personally don't think the recent mixing is a deliberate effort of some blacks to "whiten" like some posters have suggested. People just marry whoever they fall in love with.
Christopher Columbus' Jewish Roots Examined By Historians - YouTube
 
Old 07-23-2014, 10:11 PM
 
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If many colonists were Jews, they converted to Catholicism very quickly because there is not much evidence that Judaism was practiced. That place was so poor and isolated they probably didn't care much about keeping their religion, especially when most were men who arrived alone and not in families like the Portuguese in Brazil.

It is true there is a lot of African heritage there. You can find many slave records in every region in Antioquia including the so called "white" areas. A lot of mixing has taking place ever since slavery was abolished also. I personally don't think the recent mixing is a deliberate effort of some blacks to "whiten" like some posters have suggested. People just marry whoever they fall in love with.
Sinagoga en Antioquia... - YouTube
 
Old 07-23-2014, 10:15 PM
 
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If many colonists were Jews, they converted to Catholicism very quickly because there is not much evidence that Judaism was practiced. That place was so poor and isolated they probably didn't care much about keeping their religion, especially when most were men who arrived alone and not in families like the Portuguese in Brazil.

It is true there is a lot of African heritage there. You can find many slave records in every region in Antioquia including the so called "white" areas. A lot of mixing has taking place ever since slavery was abolished also. I personally don't think the recent mixing is a deliberate effort of some blacks to "whiten" like some posters have suggested. People just marry whoever they fall in love with.
Fantasmas, huellas y presencia de los judíos en Colombia - Fascículo 2 - YouTube
 
Old 07-23-2014, 10:21 PM
 
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Black Cubans Set Apart Because Of Color, Culture - Sun Sentinel

http://www.miamidade.gov/baab/librar...miDade2007.pdf

Cuban blacks don't fit into the white Cuban exile world. What is interesting in the second link is how poorly Cuban blacks are doing relative to other blacks in Miami. I get the sense that the more educated Cuban backs don't stay in Dade county as they have no interest in putting up with the racism from their white fellow country men, so its the poorest and least educated of them who stay.




Social and Economic Adjustment of Afro-Cubans in the United States: Racial ... - Michelle Hay - Google Books

More about black Cuban attitudes towards their white fellow countrymen. Most of the people interviewed were professionals, and virtually all referred to difficulties in dealing with white Cubans. Some even suggested that white Americans were LESS racist towards them.
I think you failed to grasp the point of my post. All I said is that Florida does have many Cubans of color and that Cubans of color are historically & culturally influential & widespread throughout the USA.

I suggest you read "Black Cubans, Black Americans" by Evelio Grillo
 
Old 07-23-2014, 10:22 PM
 
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i have to disagree with you the Spaniards were VERY racist. They created social classes based on levels of "Racial Purity" during colonial times.
Yes, they were, but as there were usually mostly Spanish males, they intermarried or had children with the native women. In many areas, if you run a DNA test, you'll find that the so-called "whites" (and blacks of course) have indigenous DNA haplotypes.
 
Old 07-23-2014, 10:25 PM
 
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This is the only place where I have seen the Spanish and the Portuguese labelled as the most racist when the opposite was true. Maybe it has to do with the large amount of Americans here, since the USA was born from mostly British colonies.

Lets be clear, all European colonialists believed that they were superior to the people they conquered. The evidence was in the conquering results. They thought that superior people were those that effectively conquered others and created company and wealth out of nothing. Since that's what happened and the Europeans were at the positive side of things, it makes sense they erroneously began to take an air of superiority. That's what happens to human in victorious positions since the times of the Egyptian pharoes and maybe even predating that!

That is where the British and Spanish/Portuguese pretty much coincided.

The question they faced was how will they create prosperous, civilized, and long lasting societies with so many inferior pure non-whites?

This is where the British and Spanish/Portuguese part ways. The former were convinced that the inferior blood of the pure non-white would degrade the entire society, because non-whites weren't fully human. Notice that in the US the vote of a black man was only as good as one-sixteenth of the whites, signifying the lesser human status the British and their descendants (and those that thought like them) regarded the non-whites. However, the Portuguese/Spanish were convinced that while the non-whites were inferior to whites, they were still full humans and as such, mixture would produce advantages as the non-white stock receives injections of the superior white blood.

The Anglos were concerned with keeping the white race as pure as possible, free from inferior taint and this explains why it was former British colonies the ones that adopted apartheid (US, South Africa, Zimbabwe, Namibia, etc). The Latins were not bothered with the thought of the whites having some non-white blood since they didn't believed it was damaging to society. A mixed race majority would guarantee not only the advancement of the non-whites, but also reduce the potential for racial tensions and subsequent race based revolutions.

Even today the effect of this is clearly visible. Americans are often suspect of white Latin Americans because so many have some mixture, while Latin Americans accepts even mixed race people that look white enough or majority white as white with no problems. We also see it in how Americans like to keep the rigid racial duality between whites and blacks by insisting that the mixed race should identify as black rather than mixed. However, in Latin America the mixed population is recognized as mixed. You can see the difference in social settings in the US where in restaurants, malls, etc you will see large groups of whites and groups of blacks being quite separate, with a few exceptions. In many Latin countries the social interactions are much more mixed up.

In the US people are VERY race conscious and often treat class issues as if they were purely racial, while in Latin countries race consciousness is much lower with status and class taking precedence.

You see how in American websites and forums race is a very popular topic while in Latin websites race rarely is much of an iss

In the US your identity is closely tied to your race, with each race within the American nationality being perceived as different versions of American culture, but the white version is the one accepted as the more legitimate one. In Latin America, your identity is much more closely tied to your nationality, then to your region, then to your class, and rarely does race even considered. In Brazil, Panama, Venezuela, Dominican Republic, Cuba, Puerto Rico, Mexico, etc there is a sense their nationality bonds their country men despite of race or color differences.

One last example is how Americans accept as Western only the white majority countries, excluding all of Latin America, even white majority Argentina and Uruguay since the thought of many of them being mixed but look white is enough for Americans to put in doubt their whiteness.

All of that is only the tip of the ice berg regarding this topic, but what remains constant is the undeniable fact that among European colonialists, the Portuguese/Spanish were less racist, put in place policies that encourage the mixture of the population rather than divide and/or exterminate to allow for a white only society to flourished, as the british did in North America, Australia and elsewhere.
Excellent post! Very true.
 
Old 07-23-2014, 10:30 PM
 
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Don't you think that the reason that we under estimate this is because Colombia prefers to project itself as a light skinned mestizo country, and that most Afro Colombians are banished to the bottom rungs?

Only people who go out of their way to learn about Colombia are even aware that it has the 3rd largest black population in the Americas, behind the USA and Brazil.
I don't know who you mean by "we" and those of us enlightened individuals & free thinkers who are well informed. I do know for a fact that many others underestimate these factions and nuances.

There are many Colombians in Colombia & in the Colombian diaspora abroad that underestimate the pervasiveness & influence of Afrodescendancy in Colombia, or don't know about it at all.

Parts of the issue though in Colombian is regionalism & classism & it's ongoing internal conflicts.

There are movements and more vocal outspokenness to fight for dignity, respect, land rights, and social mobility & a sociopolitical activism among Afro Colombians & their plight.
 
Old 07-23-2014, 10:31 PM
 
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Excellent post! Very true.
No, that post is not fully true or fully accurate actually, but then again, that's none of my gottdamn business
 
Old 07-23-2014, 10:32 PM
 
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Cuba had segregation until Fidel Castro came into power. During the reign of Batista it was very racist and segregationist.

Also remember that Cuba abolished slavery in 1886. African slaves were still being imported illegally until even the 1890s
Very much so among the wealthy, and among those aligned with the U.S. Among the poor, not very much. Batista was mulato.
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