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View Poll Results: Is raced discussed in The Americas 24/7
Yes, Latin Americas think about race all the time 1 33.33%
No, this board has been invaded by race extremists. 2 66.67%
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Old 07-24-2014, 07:14 AM
 
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Nope, re read ALL posts. Reading is fundamental. I'm trying to show the flaw in others entire arguments, and counter or respond with it with another objective nuanced counterpoint or flawed argument to show the flaw in another persons argument. Somewhere in the truth lies the middle. I don't defend either the BRUTAL natures of the British or the Spanish. The bottom line is that they were really not that different from each other & GOOD & EVIL traits and/or tendencies can be found among BOTH the British & the Spanish, which is the OVERALL point I'm trying make.

Now so you defend the Spanish & bash the British??? Or do you admit that BOTH Spanish & British were similar and/or both had elements of imposed colonization that were harsh or had harsh & positive elements? What's your final conclusion or definitive?
You forgot about the Portuguese.

 
Old 07-24-2014, 07:16 AM
 
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You forgot about the Portuguese.
Nope, I didn't forget the Portuguese. I mentioned them in other posts, & they can be included in the post you responded to as an example.
 
Old 07-26-2014, 02:17 AM
 
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At the time of the Spanish Encounter with New World, Spanish culture represented the fusion of Sephardic Jewish, Moorish, & Celtic-Iberian elements. The Reconquest of Spain, known as the Spanish Inquisition, with it's final and definitive expulsion of Jews and Moors from Spain in 1492, occurred only about a month before Columbus began his first voyage; one destination of the Jewish & Moorish flight from Spain was the New World. The first settlement of the Spanish in the Americas was La Navidad on the northwestern shore of Hispaniola; destroyed by the Native Americans, today the archaeological site is a part of Haiti. The later Spanish colony further east was called Santo Domingo & was first settled by peasants from Extremadura & Andalucía & Jews & Moors who fled Spain during the Spanish Inquisition; evidence of Jewish & Moorish influence in Hispaniola appears in architecture, dialect, & the oldest musical styles & genres. In the late 1600s, an important wave of immigrants arrived from the Canary Islands.
 
Old 07-26-2014, 04:50 PM
 
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Now it's the Spanish Jews who created slavery apparently

Could this forum get more absurd?
Very strange indeed
 
Old 07-26-2014, 10:11 PM
 
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Manila Men in the New World: Filipino Migration to Mexico and the Americas ... - Floro L. Mercene - Google Books
 
Old 07-27-2014, 07:12 AM
 
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Mexico and The Philippines: History - YouTube
 
Old 07-28-2014, 10:16 AM
 
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Yes, they were, but as there were usually mostly Spanish males, they intermarried or had children with the native women. In many areas, if you run a DNA test, you'll find that the so-called "whites" (and blacks of course) have indigenous DNA haplotypes.


The same thing happened in the US, as first scouts and settlers married Indian women.
But Latin America, as the US, suffered massive immigration from Spain and Italy quite recemtly...and they arrived when most indians were history and they'd rather clung to each other.
 
Old 07-28-2014, 10:21 AM
 
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At the time of the Spanish Encounter with New World, Spanish culture represented the fusion of Sephardic Jewish, Moorish, & Celtic-Iberian elements. The Reconquest of Spain, known as the Spanish Inquisition, with it's final and definitive expulsion of Jews and Moors from Spain in 1492, occurred only about a month before Columbus began his first voyage; one destination of the Jewish & Moorish flight from Spain was the New World. The first settlement of the Spanish in the Americas was La Navidad on the northwestern shore of Hispaniola; destroyed by the Native Americans, today the archaeological site is a part of Haiti. The later Spanish colony further east was called Santo Domingo & was first settled by peasants from Extremadura & Andalucía & Jews & Moors who fled Spain during the Spanish Inquisition; evidence of Jewish & Moorish influence in Hispaniola appears in architecture, dialect, & the oldest musical styles & genres. In the late 1600s, an important wave of immigrants arrived from the Canary Islands.

No fusion at all. For the Inquisition, all those cultures were the devil himself and were eradicated. Of course, they left their cultural imprint. But most of those cultures had to deal with fire. Not peasants, they were hidalgos.
 
Old 07-30-2014, 07:10 AM
 
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Default Brazil: more indigenous or african descendants

Brazil is a very diverse country with indigenous, european and african heritage.
But are there more indigenous descendants or african descendants?
Are pardos more mestizo or more mulato?
 
Old 07-30-2014, 08:08 AM
 
Location: Fortaleza, Brazil
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Almost every Brazilian is a descendant of BOTH indigenous (Amerindian) and African people, as well as a descendant of Europeans.

Almost every Brazilian is tri-racial.

But if you want to know who have a greater genetic influence in the DNA of most of the population, the indigenous or the Africans, I believe it's the indigenous people.

In states like Amazonas, Rondonia, Para, Piaui, Ceara, Rio Grande do Norte, Tocantins, Goias, Mato Grosso and Mato Grosso do Sul, for example, it's clear that the genetic influence of the Amerindians (indigenous) in the DNA of the current population is much greater than the influence of the Africans. But even in those states, almost everyone ALSO have some African ancestry, and a bit of African DNA.

Pardos can be "more caboclo" or "more mulato" depending on the region of Brazil. But almost everyone has tri-racial ancestry.
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