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View Poll Results: How do you view Dominicans?
Strictly Latin American. 40 33.61%
Afro-Latino 65 54.62%
Strictly Afro-Caribbean. 14 11.76%
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Old 03-23-2014, 11:15 PM
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So please explain to me how the wine-growing regions of Chile have anything to do with the canefields of DR.
I found this about wine production in Dominican Republic:

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But a new tourism development in the Dominican Republic’s Azua region is looking to change that, relying in part on the cooler climate in the mountains of the country.

The Ocoa Bay project, a joint US-Dominican project, will be what its developers call the first wine-tourism development in the Dominican Republic and the Caribbean region.

Dominican Republic President Danilo Medina was on hand to inaugurate the project, which has a total investment of $167 million, according to the government.

The project’s area will cover 1.4 million square metres in Bahia de Ocoa, with the first phase consisting of 140,000 square metres focused on a vineyard “capable of producing high-quality wine and table grapes,” the government said.
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“It will be a project that will add a new element to our country-brand: Dominican wine, placing us on the world map of vineyards, showing that nobody does it better than Dominicans, when we do it well,” Rodriguez said.
Wine Tourism in the Dominican Republic?

I also found this website but its still under construction:

http://www.ocoabay.com.do/

I also found this Facebook page which seems to be the official one:

https://es-la.facebook.com/pages/Oco...94639150623925

And a few photos posted in the Facebook page:






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Old 03-23-2014, 11:17 PM
 
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What is "strictly Latin American" or "strictly Caribbean" anyway? Both regions are extremely diverse within themselves, so it's impossible to say that Dominicans are "typical Latin Americans". The DR has alot in common with countries like Cuba, Venezuela, Puerto Rico and the coastal parts of Colombia, but altogether that accounts for maybe 1/3 of the Spanish-speaking population in the Western Hemisphere, leaving Dominican culture relatively foreign to the remaining 2/3s of the region.
Exactly, and at the same time Dominican Republic (DR) is Caribbean as well. An expanded definition of Caribbean also includes the Atlantic and Caribbean coasts, littoral and rim of mainland Central American and MesoAmerican nations and Panama, Colombia, Venezuela.

Guyana doesn't touch the Caribbean sea yet people often include it with the Caribbean.

Dominican Republic (DR), Puerto Rico (PR), and Cuba ARE ALL in fact Caribbean, West Indian, and Antillean.

Philippines has lots in common with Mexico especially, as well as all of Spanish speaking Latin America of course, given the historical and cultural connections and ties.
 
Old 03-23-2014, 11:19 PM
 
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Its true Rep Dom might have alot more in common with thos places you mentioned. But that doesnt mean it doesn't have similarities with other Latin American countries. I think middle class Latinos regardless of where they are from share a similar out look on life and share the same values and yes they also have a similar culture. Dominican music is probably more popular outside of those countries you mentioned.
Dominican merengue and bachata are two genres originated in DR that seem to be popular across the globe to the point of mainstream adoration and respect.
 
Old 03-23-2014, 11:22 PM
 
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It may have some commonalities, but probably not a whole lot. Half of Bolivians, Paraguayans and Guatemalans, a quarter of Ecuadorians and a fifth of Peruvians don't even speak Spanish as a native language, most Argentines and Uruguayans are of European descent and have relatively little in common with with the rest of Latin America as a whole and overall there is a much stronger indigenous cultural component shaped by regional factors such as geography and climate, so I'm not optimistic about any arguments about Dominicans being particularly similar to the majority of mainland Latinos.

As for middle class Latinos sharing similar values...middle class people worldwide share similar values, and the majority of Latin Americans aren't middle class anyway. So I don't see any point in your statement. Nor does Dominican music being popular have anything to do with anything...Hip Hop is popular in France but that doesn't make the French similar to African Americans now does it?
Uruguay actually has a large black and Afrodescendant population somewhere between +15% to +25%.
 
Old 03-23-2014, 11:25 PM
 
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It may have some commonalities, but probably not a whole lot. Half of Bolivians, Paraguayans and Guatemalans, a quarter of Ecuadorians and a fifth of Peruvians don't even speak Spanish as a native language, most Argentines and Uruguayans are of European descent and have relatively little in common with with the rest of Latin America as a whole and overall there is a much stronger indigenous cultural component shaped by regional factors such as geography and climate, so I'm not optimistic about any arguments about Dominicans being particularly similar to the majority of mainland Latinos.

As for middle class Latinos sharing similar values...middle class people worldwide share similar values, and the majority of Latin Americans aren't middle class anyway. So I don't see any point in your statement. Nor does Dominican music being popular have anything to do with anything...Hip Hop is popular in France but that doesn't make the French similar to African Americans now does it?
Valid points, although hip hop originated with and as a hybrid between Jamaicans and Puerto Ricans and their descendants in the South Bronx. African Americans didn't originate hip hop.
 
Old 03-23-2014, 11:28 PM
 
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It may have some commonalities, but probably not a whole lot. Half of Bolivians, Paraguayans and Guatemalans, a quarter of Ecuadorians and a fifth of Peruvians don't even speak Spanish as a native language, most Argentines and Uruguayans are of European descent and have relatively little in common with with the rest of Latin America as a whole and overall there is a much stronger indigenous cultural component shaped by regional factors such as geography and climate, so I'm not optimistic about any arguments about Dominicans being particularly similar to the majority of mainland Latinos.

As for middle class Latinos sharing similar values...middle class people worldwide share similar values, and the majority of Latin Americans aren't middle class anyway. So I don't see any point in your statement. Nor does Dominican music being popular have anything to do with anything...Hip Hop is popular in France but that doesn't make the French similar to African Americans now does it?
You can't find similarities between anywhere essentially. Many foods and crops eaten in India can be found in South America, the Caribbean, and the African continent. So it does get murky or tricky when attaching or pinpointing out mutual similarities and their derivations as they often are mutual mere coincidences and/or indirectly related etc.
 
Old 03-24-2014, 04:28 AM
 
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The correct term is "strictly Latin American" because to be Latin American is based on culture and history, not genetics.

And even if it was based on genetics, the average Dominican has Iberian blood in them (aka, Latin.) I've seen some studies that put Dominicans among the Latin American people with the highest input of Iberian blood in their mixture, more than is typical in most Latin American countries. This may come as a shock to some, because Dominicans are more often than not mixed with more African blood than is typical in Latin America, so many people judge them to be less Iberian than other Latin American people due to their African blood, but reality points in the opposite direction.

The typical Dominican has a genetic mixture that averages 52% Spanish origin, 44% African origin, and 3.6% Amerindian origin. This means that Dominicans have more Spanish blood in their mixture than in all other Latin American countries except five (Puerto Rico, Cuba, Costa Rica, Chile, and Venezuela); Dominicans also have the most African blood in their mixture than in any other Latin American country except Haiti; and Dominicans have some of the least Amerindian blood in Latin America with only Cubans and Haitians having less.

Spanish Blood in Admixture of the People
Puerto Rico 64.1%
Cuba 63.0%
Costa Rica 60.4%
Chile 54.5%
Venezuela 53.2%
Dominican Republic 52.0%
El Salvador 50.0%
Nicaragua 49.0%
Uruguay 48.2%
Paraguay 46.8%
Honduras 46.0%
Colombia 45.6%
Panama 39.7%
Ecuador 32.0%
Argentina 30.2%
Mexico 30.0%
Peru 28.0%
Bolivia 23.7%
Guatemala 22.0%
Belize 21.8%
Brazil 3.0%
Haiti 0.2%

African Blood in the Admixture of the People
Haiti 97.5%
Dominican Republic 44.4%
Cuba 33.5%
Colombia 17.3%
Belize 16.9%
Brazil 16.7%
Puerto Rico 15.8%
Venezuela 14.0%
Costa Rica 8.9%
Ecuador 7.0%
Panama 6.5%
Peru 5.7%
Nicaragua 4.5%
Uruguay 4.0%
Mexico 3.4%
Guatemala 2.6%
Argentina 2.0%
Honduras 2.0%
Chile 1.4%
Paraguay 1.0%
Bolivia 0.9%

Amerindian Blood in the Admixture of the People
Guatemala 72.9%
Bolivia 72.4%
Peru 64.2%
Mexico 62.5%
Ecuador 61.1%
Honduras 52.0%
El Salvador 50.0%
Paraguay 45.8%
Nicaragua 40%
Chile 37.3%
Colombia 37.1%
Panama 35.7%
Venezuela 31.0%
Costa Rica 29.7%
Puerto Rico 17.9%
Belize 11.5%
Brazil 9.1%
Argentina 5.0%
Uruguay 4.0%
Dominican Republic 3.6%
Cuba 2.5%
Haiti 0.0%

http://www.econ.brown.edu/fac/louis_...icas%201.1.doc

The percentages in the admixture of the people is based on an estimate done at Brown University using the share of migration from various origins into the population of each Latin American country. These are estimates.

This is how the estimates reach the conclusion that the typical Mexican is 30% Spanish, 3% African, and 63% Amerindian; the typical Ecuadorian is 32% Spanish, 7% African, and 61% Amerindian; the typical Puerto Rican is 64% Spanish, 16% African, and 18% Amerindian; the typical Peruvian is 28% Spanish, 6% African, and 64% Amerindian; etc.
The stats you posted don't match up with the link you provided. Also, the African component for Panama is way too low. Most genetic studies consistently show that Panama is virtually 1/3 of African, 1/3 of Native American and 1/3 European.

Dominican Republic often has higher Taino, Native American and Asian contributions as well.

This link provides a genetic study on Panama and also has genetic stats for some Latin American and Caribbean nations as well that are mighty quite well rather intetesting. Check it out:

http://www.revistasmedicas.org/artic...dfMDAxLTEucGRm
 
Old 03-24-2014, 04:51 AM
 
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Caribbean is more of a geographic term than it is cultural while Latin American is more a cultural term. That's why Dominican Republic is in the Caribbean, but Jamaica is not part of Latin America.

But when I think of Dominicans, I think Latin Americans and then Caribbean; similarly as how I think of Puerto Ricans or Cubans or Peruvians or Brazilians or Nicaraguans or Mexicans. I see all of them as Latin American before I associate them with their geography. In fact, I hardly ever take into consideration their geography.
But the term Latin America(n) signifies geography partly as it is specifying Latin nations or cultures within the Americas or American continents.

Also it doesn't just include Spanish speaking nations or Portuguese speaking Brazil either only. Haiti is also apart of Latin America as well, and since you included Puerto Rico, then Martinique, Guadeloupe, Curaçao, Aruba, Bonaire, Saint Martin, Quebec, Montreal, Louisiana, Alabama, Florida, Mississippi, Texas, and a whole bunch of other regions and USA states qualify as Latin America as well.

The term Latin America simply is referring to nations in the Americas with Latin cultural synthesis and/or bases.

The term Caribbean while geographic, also depending on context can be cultural as well. The greater extended definition of Caribbean includes the areas that were known during colonial times as the Spanish Main which included Panama, Colombia, Venezuela, and all the Atlantic coastal and Caribbean coastal littorals and rims of mainland and mainland Central America and MesoAmerica proper. And this sense of Caribbean-ness is more of a concept of culture as in speech patterns, way of life, and accents etc.
 
Old 03-24-2014, 04:58 AM
 
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Caribbean is more of a geographic term than it is cultural while Latin American is more a cultural term. That's why Dominican Republic is in the Caribbean, but Jamaica is not part of Latin America.

But when I think of Dominicans, I think Latin Americans and then Caribbean; similarly as how I think of Puerto Ricans or Cubans or Peruvians or Brazilians or Nicaraguans or Mexicans. I see all of them as Latin American before I associate them with their geography. In fact, I hardly ever take into consideration their geography.
Puerto Rico is NOT an independent nation. It's a U.S. unincorporated commonwealth territory in perpetuity and association with the USA.

And again, Dominicans are just as much Caribbean as they are Latin American. The terms are not mutually exclusive.

It's just like how Egypt is African while at the same time it's also considered Middle Eastern

Guyana is often considered Caribbean by some people, even though it doesn't even touch the Caribbean sea and therefore technically isn't Caribbean and is geographically South American.

Philippines could have been considered Latin American when it was occupied by the USA then right? Guam and Marinara Islands technically then could be Latin American if Puerto Rico is considered Latin American! Hmm...
 
Old 03-24-2014, 05:00 AM
 
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Caribbean is more of a geographic term than it is cultural while Latin American is more a cultural term. That's why Dominican Republic is in the Caribbean, but Jamaica is not part of Latin America.

But when I think of Dominicans, I think Latin Americans and then Caribbean; similarly as how I think of Puerto Ricans or Cubans or Peruvians or Brazilians or Nicaraguans or Mexicans. I see all of them as Latin American before I associate them with their geography. In fact, I hardly ever take into consideration their geography.
This sums up Latin America pretty well:

Black in Latin America | Kontak
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