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Old 12-18-2011, 03:27 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Regretably, the Portuguese seem to suffer from a pervasive lack of will and energy, it is as if the entire nation has "tired blood."

The people I meet in daily life in Portugal who have zip, verve, courtesy, and a desire to be on the move are the Brazilian, Ukranian, and Russian immigrants. Sometimes I could almost believe the entire country would fall back into its Salazarist slumber without them.
When they do show energy, it is mostly for stuff that doesn't lead anywhere, like soccer, general strikes, beach life, etc.
I would be really worried if I were not self-employed and independent of the Portuguese economy.

It seems exaggerated, but they said on the news today that Britain has developed plans to evacuate the thousands of Brits living in Portugal, should the **** hit the fan.
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Old 12-19-2011, 06:56 AM
 
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The people I meet in daily life in Portugal who have zip, verve, courtesy, and a desire to be on the move are the Brazilian, Ukranian, and Russian immigrants. Sometimes I could almost believe the entire country would fall back into its Salazarist slumber without them.
Don't know about the other things, but I've found Portuguese people really corteous.
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Old 12-19-2011, 07:17 AM
 
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Don't know about the other things, but I've found Portuguese people really corteous.
I have not detected a lack of courtesy, either. With most people quite the opposite. Sure, there are black sheep in any country, mostly the upper class is a bit arrogant and stand-offish, but who wants to have to do with them anyway...
With courtesy usually the boomerang effect applies, you get treated the way you are perceived.
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Old 12-19-2011, 11:23 AM
 
Location: Fortaleza, Brazil
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The Portuguese crossed the "seven seas" in their tiny caravels, and created an Empire that extended from Brazil, in South America, to Macao, in China, and Timor, in Indonesia.

The Portuguese explorer Fernão de Magalhães (known in English as Magellan) was the leader of the first expedition that reached the circumnavigation of Earth.

I don't see any "lack of will and energy" in that brave people...
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Old 12-19-2011, 11:51 AM
 
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That was in the past. And I think that is the very problem. Since their empire collapsed, they have cultivated that nostalgic sentiment. Many seem to live in the past, distrusting the future.

And many are simply tired as the Portuguese work too many hours.
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Old 12-19-2011, 12:11 PM
 
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That was in the past. And I think that is the very problem. Since their empire collapsed, they have cultivated that nostalgic sentiment. Many seem to live in the past, distrusting the future.

And many are simply tired as the Portuguese work too many hours.
I like nostalgia and a little bit of living in the past. Brazil is all about the future and most don't care much about the past and history. Maybe a balance between the two would be better.
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Old 12-19-2011, 12:15 PM
 
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I like nostalgia and a little bit of living in the past. Brazil is all about the future and most don't care much about the past and history. Maybe a balance between the two would be better.
Well, Brazil doesn't have anything positive to look back to. To the contrary, the country is trying to overcome its racist past. And I agree with them, the future is all Brazil has.
I also live in the past, but only in terms of music, certainly not in terms of history.
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Old 12-19-2011, 03:00 PM
 
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Don't know about the other things, but I've found Portuguese people really corteous.
Few are outrightly rude..., which wasn't what I meant to imply, though Algarvios can be terribly grumpy. If rudeness were the order of the day, I most certainly wouldn't live here.

But I would say that the courtesy is frequently totally spiritless.....again, no verve, just doin' the job. I find the difference between the Ukranians and Brazilians who are in public service jobs and the Portuguese to be very great.
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Old 12-19-2011, 03:23 PM
 
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The Portuguese crossed the "seven seas" in their tiny caravels, and created an Empire that extended from Brazil, in South America, to Macao, in China, and Timor, in Indonesia.

The Portuguese explorer Fernão de Magalhães (known in English as Magellan) was the leader of the first expedition that reached the circumnavigation of Earth.

I don't see any "lack of will and energy" in that brave people...
No, not back then by any means. That was half a millenium ago, however. What country is like what it was that far in the past?

The present-day Portuguese are heirs to forty years of fascist government and the economic, political and cultural stagnation of it. They have within the memory of most of the population, lost their empire, and almost a million are refugees from its collapse. And since the Revolution of the Carnations there has been only one sustained period of prosperity, and in the meantime the traditional industries are dead or dying and very, very little is coming up to replace them.

Most (actually I think I could say, "all") of the Portuguese that I know are very cynical or disillusioned about the recent history of their country, and that surely has to contribute to a lack of spirit.

About a year and a half ago, perhaps two, one of the major broadcast stations conducted a poll on who people thought was the greatest Portuguese. They were totally banjaxed when Salazar received an overwhelming number of votes. I hear almost no positive remarks about Salazar, but I wonder if for many people it wasn't just a way of thumbing their noses at the post-revolution generation of politicians.
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Old 12-21-2011, 02:13 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Today's Portuguese often have a self-esteem problem.

With many of them it seems rather weak, especially regarding their nationality. Thus they often ask any foreigners such as actors or singers visiting from abroad what they think of Portugal, basically forcing them to make compliments, a very ugly habit.

On the other hand those few Portuguese who are successful often become extremely vain and arrogant, for instance the infamous soccer coach Mourinho or the soccer player Ronaldo. Those guys really make me sick. Not to mention they are both rather unfair, the former in interviews, the other on the field.
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