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Old 07-24-2014, 01:53 AM
 
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Silvio Torres-Saillant is known for his negation that Dominicans are a conspicuously mixed race people. Recent DNA studies has sort of proven him wrong. His underlying premise, such as is evident in the article you cited that he published in 1998 (before ancestry DNA testing was even possible), is that Dominicans don't have much blood of anything else other than black. DNA studies shows that Dominicans are in essence a mulatto population with about as much black and white blood mixed in the typical person.

This becomes evident the numerous times he claims that Dominicans have been 'indoctrinated' to not see themselves as black. Well, they are largely a mixed race population and most mixed race people in most countries are not made to see themselves as if they were one or the other. Its, in fact, in the United States where black/white mixed people have been indoctrinated to see themselves as black and only as black, often times reaching such levels that millions of mixed race Americans not only are not aware they are actually mixed, but are offended if anyone tells them that they are. These twins are a perfect example of that:



Silvio Torres Saillant's premise is akin to claiming that Latin American mestizos are 'indoctrinated' to not see themselves as Amerindians. Well, if something is true then its not an indoctrination. Mestizos are a mixed people, mostly Spanish mixed with Amerindians. They are not Amerindians, they are mixed (that's what mestizo means since the word derives from mezcla which means to mix) and they see themselves like that because that's what they are. The same happens with other types of mixed people, including mulattoes.

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Imagine how the coloured (mulatto) population of South Africa would react to such a comment about a population that is overwhelmingly and conspicuously mixed.



Imagine those mulatto people reading the things Silvio Torres-Saillant has written about a mulatto majority country. It will simply not make sense to them.

In my opinion, Silvio Torres-Saillant is exactly the type of person Thomas Sowell refers to in this video.

A new perspective on Afro-Dominican Spanish: the Haitian connection ----->>

http://www.personal.psu.edu/jml34/afrodom.pdf

 
Old 07-24-2014, 02:24 AM
 
Location: Macao
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The whole idea of acting white and acting black are such narrow oversimplified divisive tropes of illusion. It just creates stereotypes & divisions. How do you act a color? LOL & SMH
It's also interesting that 'acting white' seems to be defined by 'acting corporate' or 'acting very professional'.

Can a black guy "act white" like a white plumber or a white auto mechanic? Not really...no such thing that I've ever heard. But the moment a black person acts corporate/professional... suddenly that mean's he or she is 'acting' by the lower class black community.

There is also an element of this in poorer whites as well. If a poor white tries to hard to better himself, they'll give him/her some grief. He's 'acting' high-and-mighty, or all 'toddy doddy', etc. He thinks he's 'too good for us', etc. Well, 'la tee da'.

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Old 07-24-2014, 09:06 AM
 
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The whole idea of acting white and acting black are such narrow oversimplified divisive tropes of illusion. It just creates stereotypes & divisions. How do you act a color? LOL & SMH
I didn't act, I said behaved.

I already explained this. It has nothing to do with "acting corporate" unless you all have never seen black professionals. We had seen plenty of black professionals in our home state prior visiting those locations in the deep South.
 
Old 07-24-2014, 11:42 AM
 
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It's also interesting that 'acting white' seems to be defined by 'acting corporate' or 'acting very professional'.

Can a black guy "act white" like a white plumber or a white auto mechanic? Not really...no such thing that I've ever heard. But the moment a black person acts corporate/professional... suddenly that mean's he or she is 'acting' by the lower class black community.

There is also an element of this in poorer whites as well. If a poor white tries to hard to better himself, they'll give him/her some grief. He's 'acting' high-and-mighty, or all 'toddy doddy', etc. He thinks he's 'too good for us', etc. Well, 'la tee da'.

There are some manifestations of "Acting White" within a US context. Whites tend to have a higher and thinner pitch in their voices and emphasize their "R" more, than blacks, whose base speech originated in the South. Example "bederrrrrrrrr", compared with "bettah", this being the different pronounciations of the word "better"..

Experts in speech will also describe the fact that blacks and whites use different parts of the mouths when they speak. I am not an expert so will not attempt to describe this. And of course the contrast isn't so much between Southern blacks and whites, as between blacks and white Mid Western accents.

Some blacks attempt to approximate those speech patterns.


Most of the time this "acting white" is perpetrated by people who can't even tell people what "acting black" is, so I take those accusations as not being of any importance. Whites by and large appropriate back slang. Is that "Acting black"?
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