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Old 01-16-2014, 06:47 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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my great grandmother was born in Mexico, present day New Mexico. but she was Native American descent. isn't that what a Mexican is anyway, just they don't identify with specific tribes anymore? what am i part?
Not all Mexicans are Indigenous people. Some have exclusively Spanish descent, some have a bit of Native ancestry, but the intermarriage occurred long enough ago that they don't know how many generations back it occurred, or with which tribe, so it's a small blood quantum, and they can't identify with a specific tribe. Others may be half Indigenous and half not, which, depending on who you talk to and whether or not the person was raised in Indigenous culture, counts as Native or doesn't. And there are many that are, indeed, and indisputabley, Indigenous people: full-blooded Nahuatl, Mayan, Tarahumara, etc.

 
Old 01-16-2014, 09:23 PM
 
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Not all Mexicans are Indigenous people. Some have exclusively Spanish descent, some have a bit of Native ancestry, but the intermarriage occurred long enough ago that they don't know how many generations back it occurred, or with which tribe, so it's a small blood quantum, and they can't identify with a specific tribe. Others may be half Indigenous and half not, which, depending on who you talk to and whether or not the person was raised in Indigenous culture, counts as Native or doesn't. And there are many that are, indeed, and indisputabley, Indigenous people: full-blooded Nahuatl, Mayan, Tarahumara, etc.
So what you are saying is that, let’s say. If a baby is born to both Japanese parents in America, when he grows he won’t be Japanese. I know his nationality will be American but you can’t denied he is a full blooded Japanese. So you are saying that a full blooded American Indian (American as from the continent of America) that has been immersed to the Mexican culture, his biology changed somehow that he is no longer an American Indian. As of now about 7 million people speak an indigenous language.
 
Old 01-17-2014, 07:32 AM
 
Location: Bronx, NY
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If you were born in the USofA - you are a Native American, but you may/may not be an American Indian.
Care to explain the difference? From everything I understand the terms are interchangeable.
 
Old 01-17-2014, 07:37 AM
 
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What's difficult to understand?
 
Old 01-17-2014, 07:45 AM
 
Location: Bronx, NY
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What is the difference? They are used interchangeably.
 
Old 01-19-2014, 05:15 PM
 
Location: NM-CR
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Native born people are not usually American Indians. Less than 10% of newborns in America are American Indians
 
Old 01-25-2014, 07:35 PM
 
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As in native to the Americas? Yes, before Mexico was conquered by the Spanish hundreds of years ago, Mexico had a very large native population who were the people responsible for building the magnificent pyramids and temples which still stand today. They also created one of the worlds most delicious cuisines. Many people forget that before the spanish arrived, Mexico City was already one of the biggest cities in the world.The country was conquered by Spaniards and even though a lot of native blood was shed they were never close to being wiped out like Native Americans in the U.S. After several years many spaniards mixed with the native population and after the country was founded, "Mestizaje " was encouraged and what Mexico stands for today;the fusion of native and European culture. There are hundreds of tribes in Mexico and they have their own distinct look. Every mexican you meet will vary in looks depending on what ancestry is strongest or most recent but no matter how hard people try to deny it, the majority of the population has a significant or even slight amount of native blood. even ME (Someone who is constantly assumed to be Arab).
 
Old 01-27-2014, 06:04 AM
 
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Default Sets and sub-sets?

North American Indian literature clearly points out that "Native Americans" in the U.S. do not consider Mexicans nor Hispanics as fellow, "Native Americans." They warred against each other.

The U.S. likes to call itself, "America" while forgetting Canada, Mexico, Central America, and South America ... are ... "America" too. Politics and social strata is currently being mixed in with terminology and causing confusion.

Aztec, Inca, and Mayan are clearly "Indians." Descendants of these cultures are ... "Native Americans" ... but they are not Navajos, Apaches, nor members of the Cheyenne Nation. Treaties made with the U.S. government were not made with them. There are no, "Mayan Indian Reservations" in the United States.

So it seems to be an issue of terminology.
North American Vs. South American.
They even speak different languages and have different diets. Their cultures and history are different.

Plus, it appears to be additionally complex because there are "Mexicans" who publicly "hate Indians" yet, there are tons of "Indians" who identify as both "Mexican" and "Indian."

The largest issue here appears largely demographics.
Who in the U.S. is going to get the largest slice of the government dollars.
Who has the biggest bragging rights.

Mexicans have often been told to mark the box, "White" when the Census comes around each year. Now many are being told to mark the box, "Native American."

I think the most interesting issue here is what separates people and why.
Those at the top of the world's economic food chain are using the same tactics everywhere... "Divide and Conquer." The world today is still being controlled by the same methods that were used to enslave the Brits during the 200 years of the Norman Conquest.

As long as human beings allow themselves to be controlled by their pride (ego), greed, and fear, the rich will continue to get richer and everyone else will continue to hate and kill each other.
 
Old 02-03-2014, 12:13 AM
 
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If you were born in the USofA - you are a Native American, but you may/may not be an American Indian.
Que?
 
Old 02-03-2014, 04:50 AM
 
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I guess the ones who had native ancestry would be according to the American definition. Mexican culture seems more native in general, so culturally all Mexicans seem a bit more native.
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