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Old 02-04-2014, 12:49 PM
 
Location: merida, mexico
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there are so much terms in english that in spanish doesn't apply like etnicity and nacionality, also american in spanish is americano apply to whole citizens of the continent

doubts???

 
Old 02-28-2014, 08:32 AM
 
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Only the United States uses the term Native American. NO other country in the Americas uses that term to identify their indigenous people.

1. INDIAN is the collective term of all per-colonial inhabitants of the Americas (usually said in the language of the country).

2. In the United States AMERICAN INDIAN designates RACE.
- AMERICAN INDIAN as a RACE was judicially determined and is reflected in United States LAW.

The designation of “AMERICAN INDIAN” as a “RACE” can be seen in the US CENSUS, which states.

AMERICAN INDIAN or Alaska Native: A person having origins in any of the original peoples of North and South America (including Central America) and who “maintains tribal affiliation or community attachment”.
About Race - People and Households - U.S. Census Bureau

The designation as a RACE can also be seen in the "free passage" provision codified in Section 289 of the IMMIGRATION AND NATIONALITY ACT.

Sec. 289 [8 U.S.C. 1359]. . . . Nothing in this title shall be construed to affect the right of AMERICAN INDIANS born in Canada . . . . But such right shall extend only to persons who possess at least 50 per centum of blood of the AMERICAN INDIAN "RACE"; (and must be proven through DOCUMENTATION)
INA: ACT 289 - AMERICAN INDIANS BORN IN CANADA

3. The term NATIVE AMERICAN does NOT designate RACE. NATIVE AMERICAN is a legal designation identifying a specific group of people.

NATIVE AMERICAN identifies the citizens of FEDERALLY RECOGNIZED TRIBES within the borders of the United States. Tribes, who through TREATIES have a government-to-government relationship with the United States, as a result; various programs and services are available to NATIVE AMERICANS. These programs and services are NOT available to AMERICAN INDIANS, who do not qualify as members of FEDERALLY RECOGNIZED TRIBES.

Here is an example:
For a student to be eligible for many NATIVE AMERICAN scholarships, the student should be an enrolled member of a FEDERALLY RECOGNIZED TRIBE. Otherwise funding will most likely be denied.
FinAid | Other Types of Aid | Native American Students

U.S. DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR
Indian Affairs, through its government-to-government relationship with FEDERALLY RECOGNIZED TRIBES, carries out the Federal Government's unique and continuing relationship with and responsibility to tribes and Indian people. Indian Affairs programs support and assist FEDERALLY RECOGNIZED TRIBES.
Benefits and Service

All indigenous people/communities/tribes throughout the Americas have criteria to identify their members, which is usually based on recognized kinship, lineal decent and interpersonal bonds held by the community. This is what is stated by the South American Indigenous people which is similar to the criteria of all indigenous people of the Americas.

Who is Indian?
- An Indian is any member of an indigenous community, recognized by the latter as such.
- An indigenous community is any community founded on kinship or coresidence relations between its members, who maintain historical-cultural ties with pre-Colombian indigenous social organizations.
These days in Brazil > Who they are > Who is Indian?

This explains who the NATIVE AMERICANS and INDIANS (American Indians) are.

If someone is of INDIAN descent and is not recognized by the indigenous people as “BEING ONE OF THEM”; then all they have is Indian ancestry.
 
Old 03-24-2014, 04:47 PM
 
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Mexico genetic studies map and breakdown of each region:

 
Old 03-24-2014, 05:04 PM
 
Location: Canada
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Those are figures of specific urban centres not of entire regions.
 
Old 03-24-2014, 07:16 PM
 
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No, only some Mexicans could be considered Native Americans (Aztecs/Mayan descendants). Most Mexicans are Mestizos and as mixed, they are descendants of both, Native Americans and Europeans, for the most part. A mixed person is not equivalent to a whole, just like gray doesn't equals white or black.

Keep in mind that a good chunk (maybe most?) of Mexicans that migrate to the US originate from some of the most Indigenous areas of Mexico (Southern Mexico to be exact), so don't be surprised if many Americans think Mexicans are Native Americans due to what they see through out the US. Heck, even Mexicans that visit the US as tourists are surprised how Indigenous the Mexican immigrants look, not quite representative of what most of Mexico looks like!

In case anyone is wondering, no, I'm not Mexican or of Mexican heritage.
Migration patterns differ depending on what period you are talking about and the places they have migrated to in the US as well.

We must understand that the US recruited laborers for decades specifically from rural regions of Mexico. There was a deliberate recruitment of lower-class people because they wanted people who were desperate for work, wouldn't complain, and would return home. This then became a sort of culture in these rural areas. Small children prepared to go work in 'el norte' and well, here we are today with the current situation. Of course this was benefitial for the Mexican govt as well. It relieved pressures and minimized revolts.

I am mostly familiar with migration to CA. The largest sending states to CA were mostly Michoacan, Jalisco, and Zacatecas, with some Oaxacans making the treck as well. Jalisco and Zacatecas are not states with large indigenous populations, and most of the people who came from Michoacan were mestizos. In the 70s and 80s there was a large exodus from Mexico City and these people were definitely not Native American.

I know in Arizona a lot of the migrants were from Sonora. In Texas, from Nuevo Leon, Tamaulipas and I believe Chihuahua.

Only RECENTLY has there been more migration from Native American areas. The opening of maquiladoras in the 70's brought a massive exodus of all kinds of people to border areas. Some later migrated to the US. Only recently did more Native Americans from Central and Southern Mexico start migrating in large numbers to the US.

Also, there is currently a larger exodus of middle class and even upper class people to border states. Here in San Diego the Mexican population is pretty diverse.
 
Old 03-24-2014, 07:30 PM
 
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I think it is also important to point out that you are not considered Native American in Mexico just because you are dark skinned or have some Native American features.

The true Native Americans distinguish between pure Native Americans and mestizos. They are very aware of who is mixed and consider you to be different. If you are a mestizo, you are different . I lived in Oaxaca for a few months and had quite an interesting experience with this.
 
Old 03-25-2014, 12:25 AM
 
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Most Mexicans are a mix of Native American, Africam, Asian, and European ancestry.
 
Old 03-25-2014, 02:04 PM
 
Location: USA
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Most Mexicans are a mix of Native American, Africam, Asian, and European ancestry.
Really??


 
Old 03-25-2014, 03:11 PM
 
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Most Mexicans are a mix of Native American, African, Asian, and European ancestry in varying degrees
 
Old 03-25-2014, 03:12 PM
 
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Really??


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