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Old 02-02-2012, 06:55 PM
 
Location: The western periphery of Terra Australis
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Well I can't speak about Jamaica as I'm not from there but if it is a middle class and above Caribbean woman I don't think you can go with the assumption that they are using you for money or a green card. Caribbean people are quite up to date on international news and the current hard times in the US are very well known so American does not necessarily equal rich nowadays. Whichever island you choose just go with an open mind, try to avoid pre-judging and treat people with respect.

And Natural510 is correct. It can be refreshing to be in a society where black does not equate with different or minority.
At least by looks...he'd still be a minority being an American. Like whenever I go to Asia - whatever country - I still feel like a minority because I'm considered Australian. Occasionally the locals come up to me and speak an Asian language and I just have to smile dumbly at them and tell them I only speak English.
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Old 02-02-2012, 07:04 PM
 
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No I wasn't specifically looking abroad for a women, I was just planning on visiting a foreign country for a while for the experience and while there maybe meeting a nice girl.

Funny, I think you are Australian right? I actually considered Sydney, but found a lot of post on here mentioning how hard it is for an African American to date over there. It's cool to visit and hang out, but dating is harder because of the nagative views of blacks... I'm not saying this is try for all Australians, I'm only stating what I've read on countless threads on her.

To answer your earlier question, No, it's not that I'm specifically looking for a jamaican girl, I was just considering jamaica because they speak english, there are a lot of black women (not that I'm against dating women of all races), and it's a vacation spot that many of my friends and family have visited and liked... but again they never left the resort. I was also considering London, but they have crappy weather and I hear it's like a more expensive version of NYC, if I wanted to go to NYC, I would just go to NYC.

Also I think a lot of people keep thinking it has to be Jamaica, but if you go back up and read at least 3 of my replies, I keep asking people over and over, where do you recommend?

Yes Yes I understand now Jamaica is 3rd world. BUT... You must all realize that I didn't consider it a 3rd world country because of all the reports from people about how much fun they had there, and from all the stories of the few Jamaicans whom I've meet here. And yes when I asked them why they came here to the U.S it was always a story about to make more money, but it wasn't told in a way that a lot of other immigrants I've spoken to told it. They didn't talk as if it was a third world country, many spoke of going back. And they sure as HECK didn't give me any vibes to make me think they looked at me as anything other than just another black brother, unlike the countless African immigrants I've spoken to, that let you know they don't consider you one of them...

So yes I'm thankful to everyone who as advising me, but understand, much of this is a shock to me.

Again it doesn't have to be Jamaica, I just want a nice place to have fun, and meet women... not prostitutes and not someone who would be ashame to date a black guy
I've seen those threads too. I'm not AA, so I can't say for sure, but I think there will definitely be women rushing to dating you - at least casually, I mean you'll only be there for a short time anyway. The novelty factor comes into play (applies to white Americans or Europeans too). Whenever the American sailors come - and most seem to be black - the girls come down to experience some American lovin' (some do, I'm not saying all Australian women just have sex with strangers). It's been the same since World War II, a tradition if you like. Most just think of you as Americans, although I'm sure some have a 'black fetish'. But yeah, many are just pretty race-blind about it.

But sailors aside (could also be the uniform) it's hard to say. If you're a tourist in Sydney there's a very good chance you'll meet a lot more travelers than locals anyway. If you stay at backpackers you'll likely meet many beautiful European women...many of whom are open to casual affairs if you're looking for that. I also see a lot more people of African descent in Australia.

London is totally different to NYC. Hardly a 'more expensive version of NY.' The two pre-eminent cities of the world could hardly be more different, but each feels very international in it's own way.

Jamaica still is poor by first world standards. It's not Haiti, as in most people aren't really suffering, but many do struggle. I'm sure many Jamaicans live comfortably as well. It's hard to know for sure how the Jamaicans will treat you by basing it off a few people you meet in America. And they're on your turf, so you're not going to get out of line by hating on you...if it's on their home turf it might be a different story. I'm not saying they will, I'm sure most Jamaicans would be decent to you, but all I'm saying is don't get any false impressions.

The three destinations you mention are so different so if I were you I'd think of what kind of vacation I want. Like I said London has a lot of Caribbean and African immigrants too, and Sydney is very worldly. Sydney is a long way away, so if you're interested in coming you should see more of Australia. It's a big country, almost as big as the US, so be realistic about your itinerary.
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Old 02-03-2012, 02:26 AM
 
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A friend of mine said something similar about visiting trinidad & tobago as far as being dangerous for americans even in the day time.
Trinidad and Tobago is very dangerous?
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Old 02-08-2012, 10:16 AM
 
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I just stumbled on this site and found it interesting, reading the comments from people with no clue. Until you have actually visited Jamaica and Kingston in particular you have no clue.
I am a Jamaica woman recently coming to the united states. I will admit that some parts of kingston is a dangerous place but that goes without saying as most cities are for visitor who don't know the place or culture and the people.
The generalization here tho is astounding....so you think all Jamaicans see Americans as dollar signs? Where in some I just stumbled on this site and found it interesting, reading the comments from people with no clue. Until you have actually visited Jamaica and Kingston in particular you have no clue.
I am a Jamaica woman recently coming to the united states. I will admit that some parts of kingston is a dangerous place but that goes without saying as most cities are for visitor who don't know the place or culture and the people.
The generalization here tho is astounding....so you think all Jamaicans see Americans as dollar signs? Where in some of thisrged id true it is 20%. What a lot of Americans don't know is Jamaica is advance more than you think. It was an eye opener for me when coming here to the us. A lot of Jamaicans live better lives that people here in the us. And that is no joke, if you go to Kingston you will the vehicles and clothing there.
But most foreigners think they but just watching the news. In comparison Jamaica is no worse that some of these places here in the US, as your barber said don't be naive use good sense as you would in any city in this world.
of this is true, it's 20%. What a lot of Americans don't know is Jamaica is advanced more than you thing it was an eye opener for me when coming here to the us. A lot of Jamaicans live better lives that people here.
And that is no joke, if you go to Kingston you will see the same vehicles and clothing there plus naturally beautiful women
But most foreigners think they know jamaica just by watching the news. In comparison Jamaica is no worse that some of these places here in the US, as your barber said don't be naive use good sense as you would in any city in this world.
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Old 02-08-2012, 12:19 PM
 
Location: London, UK
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Jamgirl, thank you for your response.

I am Jamaican as well, from Kingston. It is true that with common sense you can navigate your way through Kingston as a tourist and have an incredible time.

It is also true that many Jamaicans live a very high standard of life, despite being residents of a 3rd world country. My family for example left for Canada originally due to Political reasons ("5 Flights daily" Michael Manley) before returning to Jamaica eventually and leaving again due to Political turmoil. With that being said we enjoyed a much higher standard of living in Kingston than where we originally settled in N. America (compare Jacks Hill in Kingston to Lawrence Heights in Toronto)

So while many Jamaicans are poor, do not think for one moment that we are from some inferior country that is filled with people lining up to grab "papers" from any and every American, Brit or Canadian that we come across.

To the OP, for a real taste of Jamaican culture I definitely think Kingston would offer you a true Jamaican experience. You should do your research ahead of time though and familiarize yourself with the culture and "no go" areas, because I will concede Kingston does have some severe safety issues in certain areas.

I would also recommend renting a Villa near the beaches like in Ochi (Ocho Rios) for example and hiring someone to cook for you everyday. Walk into town, go out and party away from the Resorts and tourists. Yes we as Jamaicans also take advantage of our beautiful beaches as well, we just dont pack up with a bunch of people on an All Inclusive resort to do it.

As far as accepting you because you are Black American, you will have no problems at all. Yes you will be an American first and foremost and our cultures are VERY different, but there is a connection between all black people regardless of place of residence we should all value. Many self aware Jamaicans such as myself view Black people from anywhere on the globe as our fellow Brothers and Sisters. As I said though we are Jamaican first above all.

If you need any specific recommendations, please feel free to DM me. If it is Jamaican culture you are after you cannot replicate it in another country, no matter how large the diaspora is.

P.S: Dont blame you for loving Jamaican women, some of the most beautiful on earth.
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Old 12-03-2013, 07:09 AM
 
Location: i got my own.
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i tell you right now, turn around and run! i married a woman from kingston. she had alot of money too. but ive never been so unhappy in my life. i never realize how kingston women are so devoted to their own kind that no matter if you marry them,have kids with them, etc., youjj always know that youll never be one of them, and to be an outsider means that if you allow them access in your life, you MUST BE DOMINATED. its so wrong because jamaican men believe in being with MANY women. but american men who are with king. women are ruled by their women only because they are loyai to their people. if she has a living baby father ,youll half to get used to knowing theyll be screwing every time she says shes just dropping the kids off, and in the same room or bafhroombeside the room the kids are in. if you want to know if anything happened, just know shell get offended by you prying and let you know off the bat you cant stop nothing. no kingston woman is no where near faithful and money is the motivator, and whoever makes the best bargain gets the ****-****. theres a reason the majority of kingston fathers dont take care of their kid too. kingston mothers are known to raise their kids to be narcissistic gas lighters who do what they want and make other people do only what THEY want them to do, and after that, make them doubt their own sanity, children are raised to rebel against the fathers who are born outsiders and become mommies lil helpers when it comes to hiding the other man. youll see when yju keep asking why why and get nothing,
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Old 12-05-2013, 08:50 AM
 
Location: Bowie but New Orleans born and bred
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^ sounds like you just picked a bad woman. i'm sure she displayed many of those behaviors before you got married. that would've been enough for me to drop her and move on before getting married and/or having kids
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Old 12-05-2013, 08:44 PM
 
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It's more influenced by British culture (e.g. cricket, the accent) than American culture. Some Jamaicans might see some African brotherhood, but all in all I do agree with burgler they'll see you as American most of all.

The notion that Jamaican culture is more British than American influenced is a joke. When I watch some of the music videos from Jamaica and elsewhere in the Caribbean the only reason why I know that its in the Caribbean are the coconut trees.

They are scarily American down in the Caribbean these days. Watch CNN, BET, MTV, etc., maybe more than most Americans do. And they love their KFC/Pizza Hut even though their doctors and governments are telling them that it is destroying their health.
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Old 12-05-2013, 08:59 PM
 
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If Kingston is so dangerous, where would you recommend, visiting? A friend of mine said something similar about visiting trinidad & tobago as far as being dangerous for americans even in the day time.

I ask because I'm not really a club type of person anyway, so I know I wouldn't be out at night in Jamaica, I was hoping to meet some women while being out and about...

Speaking of that, so you are saying a jamaican girl wouldn't date me, or only would date me for my money?

The best thing is for you to go to Kingston with a Jamaican friend. Make friends there and then return if you like it on your own.

Kingston isn't a tourist town and might disappoint you if you go without knowing any one. That is unless you are a gregarious type who draws the RIGHT kind of people to you. Not those who want something from you, but those who want to get to know you. And there will be many who will, as Caribbean people generally like visitors, especially if you are an interesting person who wants to get to know the island and its people.

While there you can do the Ochi thing for a few days but I get the impression that you aren't that interested in a generic tourist experience.

And yes I know those all-inclusives. Stayed at Hedonism and they almost wanted me to sign a waiver disclaiming any responsibility for any incident that might occur outside the hotel. Don't see the sense of going to a country if one just stays with tourist, hiding from the locals. Turns out that even the drug dealers in Negril were nice after I refused to buy from them or help them smuggle their merchandise into the hotel. One was a taxi driver and gave me free rides until I refused to help him.......Caribbean jails are really bad. After that he continued to wave at me every time he saw me, but no more free rides.
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Old 12-05-2013, 09:02 PM
 
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You mentioned London. Plenty of Jamaicans there, same with NYC.

Different vibe. Those back home are nicer as it is their country. People in the Caribbean don't take on problems and that frustrates those who expect order, but delights those who just want to relax.
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