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Old 10-25-2012, 12:59 PM
 
Location: Brasilia
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Old 10-25-2012, 02:04 PM
 
Location: Iowa, Heartland of Murica
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Latin American countries share the same stupid mentality that you see in countries like Greece, Spain, Italy and Portugal- there is this idea that if you learn another language or become interested in other culture, then you are not loyal to your own culture. A major sign of ignorance and backwardness.

First time I was in Sweden, I was amazed by how many Swedes spoke English and I am not talking about just speaking English but perfect English without an accent.

In Luxembourg, everybody spoke Luxembourgish, French, German and many spoke great English also, so it is not uncommon for a Luxembourgian to grow up speaking 4 languages.

In civilized countries, people have a better understanding of why speaking another language is important.
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Old 10-25-2012, 02:25 PM
 
Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina
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Latin American countries share the same stupid mentality that you see in countries like Greece, Spain, Italy and Portugal- there is this idea that if you learn another language or become interested in other culture, then you are not loyal to your own culture. A major sign of ignorance and backwardness.

First time I was in Sweden, I was amazed by how many Swedes spoke English and I am not talking about just speaking English but perfect English without an accent.

In Luxembourg, everybody spoke Luxembourgish, French, German and many spoke great English also, so it is not uncommon for a Luxembourgian to grow up speaking 4 languages.

In civilized countries, people have a better understanding of why speaking another language is important.
what?? thats SO untrue here!

First of all, theres no nocion of "patriotism" here, the only related notion to that argentinians know and practice are the love for FUTBOL (soccer) and sports in general that have the argentinian t-shirt on, this is where arg put all their patriotic inner energy, if there was some. But a notion of pride of your own country?? thats NONEXISTENT here. Think how in USA is common to say "USA is the best country in the world" and repeat that sentence all over, well, in Argentina is quite the contrary. It would be an impossible task to find a citizen that says "argentina is the best country in the world" its just culurtally not accepted, its our culture.

So, OF COURSE no one would be treated as a traitor or own culture, when we dont even have a notion of national pride. Actually, practising languajes here is well-seeing and seeing as something good an educated. Plus, argentinians love anything foreing. Specially if its in english or french.

So you are completely off the mark here and show igorance, at least about argentinian culture and costumes.
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Old 10-25-2012, 02:54 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Latin American countries share the same stupid mentality that you see in countries like Greece, Spain, Italy and Portugal- there is this idea that if you learn another language or become interested in other culture, then you are not loyal to your own culture. A major sign of ignorance and backwardness.

First time I was in Sweden, I was amazed by how many Swedes spoke English and I am not talking about just speaking English but perfect English without an accent.

In Luxembourg, everybody spoke Luxembourgish, French, German and many spoke great English also, so it is not uncommon for a Luxembourgian to grow up speaking 4 languages.

In civilized countries, people have a better understanding of why speaking another language is important.
I would be curious to hear what you have to say about the second language abilities of your own compatriots in the U.S. Not being snarky here - just wondering. For all I know you might be highly critical of them too.
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Old 10-29-2012, 07:03 AM
 
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Latin American countries share the same stupid mentality that you see in countries like Greece, Spain, Italy and Portugal- there is this idea that if you learn another language or become interested in other culture, then you are not loyal to your own culture. A major sign of ignorance and backwardness.

First time I was in Sweden, I was amazed by how many Swedes spoke English and I am not talking about just speaking English but perfect English without an accent.

In Luxembourg, everybody spoke Luxembourgish, French, German and many spoke great English also, so it is not uncommon for a Luxembourgian to grow up speaking 4 languages.

In civilized countries, people have a better understanding of why speaking another language is important.

an american accusing other nations of having shortcomings when it comes to the ability to speak a second language , brings new meaning to the terms ironic

the only country which your thesis genuinly applies to is france, the french do indeed take pride in thier inability to speak english , the same attitude does not exist in spain ,italy etc , i spent a week in argentina in 2004 , i looked like an idiot , so poor was my spanish yet the people were extremley tollerant of me , if that was france , they would make zero effort to assist

the number of nations which are highly bilingual is pretty small , scandanavia , germany and of course the most bilingual of all , the dutch , most other places , only a small minority of people are bilingual , the british are hopeless , the irish only a tiny bit better and the yanks think everyone should speak american
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Old 10-29-2012, 08:19 AM
 
Location: classified
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Latin American countries share the same stupid mentality that you see in countries like Greece, Spain, Italy and Portugal- there is this idea that if you learn another language or become interested in other culture, then you are not loyal to your own culture. A major sign of ignorance and backwardness.

First time I was in Sweden, I was amazed by how many Swedes spoke English and I am not talking about just speaking English but perfect English without an accent.

In Luxembourg, everybody spoke Luxembourgish, French, German and many spoke great English also, so it is not uncommon for a Luxembourgian to grow up speaking 4 languages.

In civilized countries, people have a better understanding of why speaking another language is important.
Reading this post it is now blantantly obvious you have some sort of wierd "hatred" towards Latin America that is hard to fathom for any reasonably minded person.

Anyways plenty of Latin Americans realize how beneficial it is to learn a foreign language such as english. However many of them don't necesarilly have the time/resources to learn a new language and exposure to english speaking media may be limited therefore inhibiting their ability to pick up a new language.
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Old 11-03-2012, 08:18 AM
 
Location: Tampa
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It really depends upon the place... 'Touristy' places will almost always have someone that speaks English, as will the more expensive hotels, casinos, restaurants and such... In Latin America, bilingual jobs pay a lot more money.

Wealthier people in Latin America tend to have English as upscale colegios (private schools) typically require it. So wealthier areas will have English speakers...


The Honduran Island of Roatan is mainly US ex-pats, so English is spoken more often than Spanish...

Lake (Lago) Chapala in Jalisco (Guadalajara) Mexico is where many draft dodgers of the 60's went. I always laugh at signs that say, "Yes, we speak Spanish", in the middle of Mexico...

Any areas that have a high concentration of ex-pats (retirees) will speak English...


I will add that years ago, when English was my only language, I never had a problem communicating in Latin America... It is not like in the USA where people always say, 'learn the language'! In Latin America, if you try to speak Spanish, they typically praise you, it doesn't matter how bad you screw up...

My advice would be to get an English-Spanish dictionary and establish a vocabulary.
Most will go out of their way to try and understand you... Just think of what words you use routinely and learn them... Just understand that dialects can be tricky, just as English...

The USA is a very educated country, yet it amazes me how many people can only speak English and expect everyone else to also...
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Old 11-03-2012, 08:35 AM
 
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Latin American countries share the same stupid mentality that you see in countries like Greece, Spain, Italy and Portugal- there is this idea that if you learn another language or become interested in other culture, then you are not loyal to your own culture. A major sign of ignorance and backwardness.

First time I was in Sweden, I was amazed by how many Swedes spoke English and I am not talking about just speaking English but perfect English without an accent.

In Luxembourg, everybody spoke Luxembourgish, French, German and many spoke great English also, so it is not uncommon for a Luxembourgian to grow up speaking 4 languages.

In civilized countries, people have a better understanding of why speaking another language is important.
Hardly a sign of civilization. Actually people tend to speak less English in countries where the national language built civilizations (Spanish, French, Portuguese...). Not much civilization was built in Finnish or Luxemburgese.

Smaller Northern European countries have what could be called "small country syndrome". Their people tend to mimic British and American customs, speaking English with American accent and slang, supporting English football teams or develoing a fetish for American cars. It's a bit like the Japanese "Engrish" phenomenon.

Then you have self-hating people who emigrate to the USA and disparage their home country because they subconsciously feel inferior and quickly adopt the mindframe of the host nation, usually, as is always the case with converts, with a distinctive lack of subtlety.
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Old 07-28-2013, 01:50 PM
 
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You hit the nail on the head for Panama-- in Panama City, English is most certainly NOT widespread, but the Caribbean side/ black Panamanians do have a tendency to speak more English.

If you go to more touristy areas of Panama (ie: Casco Viejo, Boquete, Bocas) you will definitely find a lot more English. In Panama City, I'd say the most English you'll find is in El Cangrejo given the amount of foreigners there.

ETA- The Spanish-speaking city where I found the most English speakers in Latin America would probably be Mexico City.
That all depends. Mainly in Colon City, Panama some blacks there speak or understand English. In Bocas del Toro many black people may speak and/or understand English. Most black Panamanians however speak only Spanish. Panama actually still has a large number of black Panamanians that descend from slaves brought to Panama during the Spanish colonial period. They are different from and outnumber the blacks that descend from West Indians that came to Panama to work on the Panama Canal etc.
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Old 07-28-2013, 01:57 PM
 
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I found Costa Rica to have a high rate of English being spoken or basically understood by the citizenry. C.R. reportedly has the highest literacy rate among Latin-American countries as they have a pretty good education system where English is taught in classes. Many customer service calling centers have set up shop in Costa Rica for this reason.
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