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Old 10-27-2014, 11:22 AM
 
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lot of people obsessed with racism, much worse than closet racists.

You would like a status quo to remain that gives white males undue privileges. Sorry, not happening.

 
Old 10-27-2014, 12:12 PM
 
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You would like a status quo to remain that gives white males undue privileges. Sorry, not happening.
No such thing as White Privilege unless legislated or actively enforced by the community. While White Privilege existed during Jim Crow, What we have mostly is Majority privilege. Those that are the biggest population get the most recognition. This contrasts with White Privilege in Latin America where the White minority is overrepresented in the media. In the US, while White is seen more, minorities are actualy overrepresented in the media.

Too many people confuse burdens with privileges. A privilege is an advantage given, that is beyond what one would have if segregationary tactics weren't involved. A burden is the opposite. If a White person would get a bank loan at 10% in an all White neighborhood, and then some Blacks and Asians moved in and the Asian gets it at 10% as well, while the Black person gets it at 12%, that is a Black Burden, not a White privilege.

I constantly hear how Whites have a privilege because they can go into a store and not be followed by suspicious sales reps, or because they can hail down taxis. That is not a privilege. That is a standard. If there were twenty people out there of non Black and Non-White ancestry, and all were being ignored by Cabbies, and then one White person hailed a cab and all Cabbies stopped for him, then it would be White privilege.

The vast majority of White Americans do not have privileges. In fact, the stigma created because they supposedly have all these privileges has been exploited by the elite for centuries. First with petty privileges, during slavery, reconstruction and Jim Crow, that led to a huge divide and conquer success, and now by both race card mongers and White liberal apologist mongers alike. Race card mongers use petty perceptions of superiority to foment separatism to a disenfranchised population, and White apologists, seek to bolster their standing among Non-Whites by pointing the finger and claiming all types of supposed privileges for even the poorest Whites.

It has created a vicious circle. Who wants to grow up being vilified by the media as innately privileged, and evil, through no wrongdoing of their own? Especially when they are poor and struggling with their own burdens? White Nationalism, at its heart, is a group of people who has lost a lot of its ethnic heritage through massive multigenerational inter and intra-national migration.
Most have no idea of their roots, except for a vague European. And to celebrate that identity: Whiteness/Europeanism, is immediately branded as racism. Yet every other group is allowed to celebrate some sort of ethnic pride. Ethnic pride is not something evil if it isn't compounded with ethnocentrism, xenophobia, prejudices and scapegoatism.
But if it is not allowed to exist in a healthy state, it will exist in an unhealthy one.

You can't dam a river without an outlet.

Every White kid who is vilified growing up is a potential racist. And it has nothing to do with what his parents taught him and everything to do with a self defense mechanism from being accused every day of doing the evils that people who just happened to look like them perpetrated over a half century ago.

This is no different than White Supremacists here who blame all Blacks or all Hispanics for the misdeeds of miscreants within their group.

White Apologists are as much to blame for this vicious circle of hate, as are White Supremacists, Black Supremacists, Nation of Aztlan, etc.
 
Old 10-27-2014, 12:13 PM
 
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lot of people obsessed with racism, much worse than closet racists.
What?
 
Old 10-27-2014, 12:38 PM
 
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I favour the return to Africa, so blacks don't suffer at the hands of cruel whites.
Why do you want people to return to a place they've never been to before or have known?
 
Old 10-27-2014, 03:17 PM
 
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Sobre,

Whiteness is the norm

Heterosexuality is the "norm"

Non whites are seen as "different" "exotic" etc e.g. Not the norm in society.

Homosexuality is seen as different, nasty etc

We have gay pride

We don't have British pride, European-American pride.

We do have African/black history month

We do have Jewish festivals

Connect the dots...
 
Old 10-27-2014, 05:05 PM
 
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No such thing as White Privilege unless legislated or actively enforced by the community. , etc.

When "suffering" white males join with others in the USA to change a system DOMINATED BY WHITE MALES then I will adjust my opinion that there is white male privilege.

The fact that white men refuse to do this, and indeed next week will vote for the GOP, which represents the interests of white males, will signal to me that white male privilege exists. Even non privileged white men know this, and are not prepared to join with women, and non white men, who they see as less deserving inferiors, to change the system. Instead they prefer to blame them and to pretend that the system is hostile to white men.

The fact that non privileged white men are used by privileged white men is the fault of the latter. Because non privileged white men subscribe to the notion that white men across the board are an entitled group, they join forces with those who exploit them.


And please don't tell me that it is a majority privilege. White men account for less than 33% of the population of the USA, and yet account for at least 90% of those who determine how this country functions. Non privileged white men know this, and seek to be included in the ranks of the privileged.

So I will NOT cry bitter tears for their plight as it is of their own making! The notion that impoverished white men vote for a party controlled by the Koch Brothers is baffling.
 
Old 10-27-2014, 05:09 PM
 
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Why do you want people to return to a place they've never been to before or have known?

The type of rant that you respond to is that of an Angry White Man, who seeks to maintain his white male privilege and feels that non whites, women and "liberals" have taken it away from him. Note the entitlement attitude.

Poor white men have been conned, but it is THEIR fault. They support a system which marginalizes them by appealing to the racist, sexist, and xenophobic instincts.

The irony is that the economic forces which have hurt many non privileged white men are the SAME forces which hurt inner city black men two generations ago. Did white men care? No they lambasted black men as lazy and demonized them and set about encouraging the development of a prison industry complex.

So the chickens have now come home to roost, but non privileged white men, instead of realizing that, ENDORSE those responsible for fostering their economic dislocation! So sorry, while they lambaste me as a black man and as an immigrant for their woes I LAUGH at their foolishness!
 
Old 10-29-2014, 03:53 AM
 
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Jamaica and Haiti they run the countries
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