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Old 06-05-2014, 07:17 PM
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Or maybe the Lebanese may have "Frenchified" their names. Lots of Lebanese in the US have done so (Anglicized).

Not saying that happened, just wondering if it were possible.
Or, if there is a Lebanese side, its through the maternal line. Does anyone know what is her maternal last name?

Not that I care, just adding to the discussion. lol

 
Old 06-05-2014, 07:30 PM
 
Location: Center of the universe
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When does one stop being a member of another nationality and become an American/hyphenated-American. IMO, citizenship is the best technical qualifier ( I'm not sure if she's an American citizen).
I made the distinction only because in the case of Mexican Americans (and, even more pointedly, African Americans), there is a distinct difference between a first-generation immigrant and an established member of an American ethnic group. There is a huge difference between a Kenyan immigrant and an African American, for example.

Technically, the minute you take the citizenship oath, you are as American as I am. But that is a different thing from ethnicity and culture.
 
Old 06-05-2014, 08:17 PM
 
Location: Buena Park, Orange County, California
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I made the distinction only because in the case of Mexican Americans (and, even more pointedly, African Americans), there is a distinct difference between a first-generation immigrant and an established member of an American ethnic group. There is a huge difference between a Kenyan immigrant and an African American, for example.

Technically, the minute you take the citizenship oath, you are as American as I am. But that is a different thing from ethnicity and culture.
I agree. I am a Mexican immigrant that took an oath when I was 19, and I now hold dual citizenship. I am Mexican and American (though more American than Mexican really), but would never label myself as Chicano. Many people dont understand, but there are cultural nuances between a Chicano, Mexican American and Mexican. Wtv, I guess...end of the day we are all human and people may label themselves as they wish
 
Old 06-05-2014, 09:12 PM
 
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When does one stop being a member of another nationality and become an American/hyphenated-American. IMO, citizenship is the best technical qualifier ( I'm not sure if she's an American citizen).
I agree. She's Mexican.....and she seems to consider her self that along with her parents heritage. Trying to make some distinction based on how long other people have been in a country seems arbitrary. She's definitely more so than me and I don't even speak Spanish well enough to carry on a decent conversation.
 
Old 06-05-2014, 11:44 PM
 
Location: Gotham
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For the UMPTEEN JILLIONTH TIME.... "Hispanic" is not a race. It is a cultural designation. You can be *any* race (including Asian), and be Hispanic.

I can't believe that the Kansas City Star is so ignorant that they don't understand this concept. That's what you get when you let interns write newspaper articles.

20yrsinBranson
Wouldn't asian be a cultural designation as well, instead of race?
 
Old 06-06-2014, 05:15 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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I'm black. However, on all job applications, census' and EEOC forms I have learned to ALWAYS CHECK WHITE.
Because lying is ALWAYS a good idea when trying to land a position ...
 
Old 06-06-2014, 06:12 AM
 
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I'd say that only about 20-30% of Hispanics in the US are actually White.
I think that's just being way too generous. 20-30% maybe among the Cubans and Chicanos, but not anyone else. By white, I mean Andy Garcia (Cuban) and Robert Rodriguez (Chicaco), or Alejandro García Padilla (Puerto Rico's governor), not Selena Gomez, etc. On another note, one of my friends before he moved away is a Chicano (his ancestors were Spanish colonial settlers in New Mexico), and he looked like an Anglo
 
Old 06-06-2014, 06:22 AM
 
Location: Caribbean
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My wife marked White and Native American, didn't specify a tribe. She's a mestiza Colombian. The Census is far from perfect...if I remember correctly there was a place where you could specify your national origin too if you desired. I suspect those who put together the census still don't quite know what to make of Latinos.
The census has no real fit for a number of people...there's no national origin for all groups, just certain ones.
 
Old 06-06-2014, 06:57 AM
 
Location: Bronx, NY
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I agree. She's Mexican.....and she seems to consider her self that along with her parents heritage. Trying to make some distinction based on how long other people have been in a country seems arbitrary. She's definitely more so than me and I don't even speak Spanish well enough to carry on a decent conversation.
Understood it's just a funky situation where she would be called Mexican American, when the African is a much stronger cultural influence. She was only born in Mexico to African parents and lived most of her life in Kenya. I believe she has Mexican and Kenyan citizenship at least according to her wiki, so I guess she would be Mexican-Kenyan.

It's like John McCain was born in Panama but people don't go around calling him a Panamanian American because he didn't grow up there.

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Old 06-06-2014, 06:58 AM
 
Location: Bronx, NY
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The census has no real fit for a number of people...there's no national origin for all groups, just certain ones.
Don't recall but I could have sworn there was a spot where if you wanted to you could specify what country your descend from. Maybe only for Hispanics.
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