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Old 06-07-2014, 08:00 PM
 
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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...%C3%A9rica.png

Translation
Red = Native American
Orange = Mestizo (European + Amerindian)
Beige = Caucasian (includes Arabs - in Latin America most Arabs are from or descend from Lebanon and Syria)
Brown = Mulatto (European + African)
Black = Black
Yellow = East Asian (Chinese, Japanese, Korean, etc)
Green = Indian (from India/Pakistan and other Hindu people)
Dark Red = Garifuna, Zambo, and other multiracials (Garifunas and Zambos are African + Amerindian)
Blue = Javanese (from the island of Java in Indonesia)
Gray = other origins, other mixes or unspecified


Latin American countries where blacks are a majority: Haiti

Latin American countries where blacks are a relevant minority: Cuba, Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico; Panama, Colombia, Ecuador; Brazil.

Latin American countries where mulattoes are a majority: Cuba, Dominican Republic

Latin American countries where mulattoes are a relevant minority: Honduras, Costa Rica, Panama; Colombia, Puerto Rico, Venezuela; Ecuador, Peru, Bolivia; Paraguay, Uruguay, Brzil.
there's sure a lot of Mestizo going on.

Just a casual observation.

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Old 06-07-2014, 08:10 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh, PA (Morningside)
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Those are self-reported ethnicities though, not the results of genetic tests. I'm sure I read genetic tests have found there isn't an appreciable difference between how "white" Costa Ricans are compared to other Central Americans. And most "white" Argentines are around 15% Native American.
 
Old 06-08-2014, 09:30 AM
 
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In today's Cuba, Panama, and Dominican Republic, people who descend from Africans are in the majority. There are substantial black minorities in other parts of Central and South America. Whites aren't the majority anywhere save Chile, Argentina and Uruguay, though they too are a substantial population.
The average Chilean seems more noticeably Mestizo to me than Argentina and Uruguay. Maybe i'm wrong. I haven't been to the country so this is purely based on anecdotal evidence from tv, movies, sports etc.
 
Old 06-08-2014, 11:45 AM
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In today's Cuba, Panama, and Dominican Republic, people who descend from Africans are in the majority. There are substantial black minorities in other parts of Central and South America. Whites aren't the majority anywhere save Chile, Argentina and Uruguay, though they too are a substantial population.
That's not fully true. In today's Cuba, Panama, and Dominican Republic people that descend from Africans and Europeans are the majority. People that descend from Africans and people that descend from Europeans are the minority.

In most of Latin America people that descend from Amerindians and Europeans are the majority. Amerindian or European descendants are minority.

There is only one country in Latin America where most of the population descends from Africans and that is Haiti. If we include the rest of the continent, then countries like Jamaica and maybe a few more islands in the English-speaking Caribbean would join the list.
 
Old 06-08-2014, 08:22 PM
 
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Technically speaking, the vast majority of Mexicans are of African descent, since on average they are around 4% African. Many mestizo countries, like Honduras, have significantly more black ancestry than this on the whole. Really, only in areas like the Andean highlands with a lot of almost pure indigenous people are most people going to have absolutely no black ancestry.
 
Old 06-08-2014, 09:13 PM
 
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That's not fully true. In today's Cuba, Panama, and Dominican Republic people that descend from Africans and Europeans are the majority. People that descend from Africans and people that descend from Europeans are the minority.
And these are people who are recognizably black, even in a Latin American context.

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In most of Latin America people that descend from Amerindians and Europeans are the majority. Amerindian or European descendants are minority.

There is only one country in Latin America where most of the population descends from Africans and that is Haiti. If we include the rest of the continent, then countries like Jamaica and maybe a few more islands in the English-speaking Caribbean would join the list.
Point is, the poster was inferring that most Latinos outside of DR and PR are white, and that certainly is not true.
 
Old 06-09-2014, 08:20 AM
 
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Here's a citation for Costa Rica. The average person is 61% European, 30% Indigenous, and 9% African, which by any realistic measure would be considered mixed-race.

This more recent study found 43% European, 38% Indigenous, and 15% African, but was in an isolated rural area of the Pacific Coast which might not be indicative of the country as a whole.

Speaking personally, having spent some time in Costa Rica, the people did not seem much lighter-skinned than Mexicans. Some of them talked about how all the "darker" people were recent Nicaraguan immigrants, but I just didn't see much of a difference. Certainly unlike say Argentina the vast majority of people do have more or less the classic "Mestizo look."
 
Old 06-09-2014, 11:47 AM
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Speaking personally, having spent some time in Costa Rica, the people did not seem much lighter-skinned than Mexicans. Some of them talked about how all the "darker" people were recent Nicaraguan immigrants, but I just didn't see much of a difference. Certainly unlike say Argentina the vast majority of people do have more or less the classic "Mestizo look."
Costa Rica does has the highest positive migration rate in Latin America (positive means more people migrating into, rather than out of, the country). Also Nicaragua has a very strong emigration rate and most of them don't really migrate northwards.

Costa Rica 0.84
Chile 0.35
Argentina 0
Venezuela 0
Paraguay -0.08
Ecuador -0.13
Brazil -0.15
Panama -0.32
Colombia -0.65
Bolivia -0.69
Uruguay -1.08
Honduras -1.18
Mexico -1.64
Dominican Republic -1.93
Guatemala -2.00
Peru -2.69
Nicaragua -3.13
Cuba -3.64
Haiti -4.12
El Salvador -8.44
Puerto Rico -8.93

https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...elds/2112.html

In small countries such as Costa Rica, massive illegal immigration from a neighboring country can only take a couple of decades to change the population dynamics of the receiving country. For example, the decades old migration flow in the Guanacaste peninsula, on the Pacific coast of Costa Rica, has turn that place into practically an extension of Nicaragua. The Nicaraguan presence there is so strong that it actually feels more like Nicaragua than Costa Rica.

Also, as is often the case in large illegal migration groups, probably more than a few Nicaraguan immigrants try to pass as Costa Ricans. Most foreigners would probably fall for it, but local Costa Ricans (as do local people anywhere on earth) are quick to pick up on the mannerisms that distinguishes their truly local people vs those of recent migration waves or that are migrants themselves.

The only foreigners (tourists or expats) that could probably be able to say if the population dynamics has suffered a shift are those that either have been living there for decades and witnessed the change or those that traveled there a long time ago and recently visited again. These last ones will definitely notice the change because in their memories is the Costa Rica they visited 20 or 30 years ago and suddenly they find themselves with the 'new' Costa Rica.

I know that in San Jose, the capital of Costa Rica, in many areas most of the pedestrian are actually Nicaraguan, especially in the downtown area of the city. That wasn't the case many decades ago.
 
Old 06-09-2014, 10:08 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
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The problem is, color is intrinsically linked to class, more often than not in the U.S.; therefore, (negative or positive) assumptions are drawn solely based on one's shade.

30 years ago, yes. Not in the modern USA. There is still some residual effects, but its getting better than its getting worse. I've been around this country, and America definitely is more classist than racist in 2014
 
Old 06-09-2014, 11:49 PM
 
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30 years ago, yes. Not in the modern USA. There is still some residual effects, but its getting better than its getting worse. I've been around this country, and America definitely is more classist than racist in 2014

That is quite true. Latin Americans don't like to talk about racism and Americans don't like to talk about classism. However racism and classism is an issue in BOTH societies, as much as some wish to deny this.

And yes the refusal to talk about classism means that a growing problem of poverty among whites is being ignored because some wish to pretend that its due to black dysfunction.
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