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Old 06-10-2014, 07:02 AM
 
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30 years ago, yes. Not in the modern USA. There is still some residual effects, but its getting better than its getting worse. I've been around this country, and America definitely is more classist than racist in 2014
It has gotten better but a lot of assumptions are still made based on color.

 
Old 06-10-2014, 10:40 AM
 
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It has gotten better but a lot of assumptions are still made based on color.


Assumptions will always be made based on color. it's more of a question of the impact of such assumptions. In 2014 there is no way many people can honestly say a black person would be denied a job because they are black anymore. 30 years ago thqt was reality but not anymore.
 
Old 06-10-2014, 10:49 AM
 
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Assumptions will always be made based on color. it's more of a question of the impact of such assumptions. In 2014 there is no way many people can honestly say a black person would be denied a job because they are black anymore. 30 years ago thqt was reality but not anymore.
I've seen different.
 
Old 06-10-2014, 11:17 AM
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And these are people who are recognizably black, even in a Latin American context.
If that was the case, then in none of the Latin American countries a mulatto/mixed category would even exist.

Care to explain why so many country's official demographic data does show this segment, especially in countries with large mulatto populations?

A few of them:

Brazil: white 47.7%, mulatto (mixed white and black) 43.1%, black 7.6%, Asian 1.1%, indigenous 0.4% (2010 est.)

Colombia: mestizo 58%, white 20%, mulatto 14%, black 4%, mixed black-Amerindian 3%, Amerindian 1%

Costa Rica: white or mestizo 83.6%, mulato 6.7%, indigenous 2.4%, black of African descent 1.1%, other 1.1%, none 2.9%, unspecified 2.2% (2011 est.)

Cuba: white 64.1%, mestizo 26.6%, black 9.3% (2012 est.)

Dominican Republic: mixed 73%, white 16%, black 11%

Panama: mestizo (mixed Amerindian and white) 70%, Amerindian and mixed (West Indian) 14%, white 10%, Amerindian 6%


Even outside Latin America, here are some of plenty of countries where mulattoes/mixed are seen for what they are.

Cape Verde: Creole (mulatto) 71%, African 28%, European 1%

Antigua and Barbuda: black 91%, mixed 4.4%, white 1.7%, other 2.9% (2001 census)

Bahamas: black 90.6%, white 4.7%, black and white 2.1%, other 1.9%, unspecified 0.7% (2010 est.)

Barbados: black 92.4%, white 2.7%, mixed 3.1%, East Indian 1.3%, other 0.2%, unspecified 0.2% (2010 est.)

Dominica: black 86.8%, mixed 8.9%, Carib Amerindian 2.9%, white 0.8%, other 0.7% (2001 census)

Jamaica: black 92.1%, mixed 6.1%, East Indian 0.8%, other 0.4%, unspecified 0.7% (2011 est.)

Saint Lucia: black/African descent 85.3%, mixed 10.9%, East Indian 2.2%, other 1.6%, unspecified 0.1% (2010 est.)

South Africa: black African 79.2%, white 8.9%, colored 8.9%, Indian/Asian 2.5%, other 0.5% (2011 est.)

Trinidad & Tobago: East Indian 35.4%, African 34.2%, mixed - other 15.3%, mixed African/East Indian 7.7%, other 1.3%, unspecified 6.2% (2011 est.)

Turks & Caicos Islands: black 87.6%, white 7.9%, mixed 2.5%, East Indian 1.3%, other 0.7% (2006)

Zimbabwe: African 98% (Shona 82%, Ndebele 14%, other 2%), mixed and Asian 1%, white less than 1%

https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...s/2075.html#mx

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Old 06-10-2014, 11:35 AM
 
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If that was the case, then in none of the Latin American countries a mulatto category would even exist.

Care to explain why so many country's official demographic data does show this segment, especially in countries with large mulatto populations?
Pretty easy. It depends on your definition of mulatto and black........while generally, mixed African/European people are considered mulatto in Latin America, those who are more African than European are usually seen as black as well. That has always been the case in places like Brazil, where recognizably African but technically mixed people such as Gilberto Gil are identified as and self-identify as black. Same thing in Cuba.

Of course, people who look like Gil in, say, the Dominican Republic, would probably run from the "black" designation.

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Old 06-10-2014, 11:47 AM
 
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Assumptions will always be made based on color. it's more of a question of the impact of such assumptions. In 2014 there is no way many people can honestly say a black person would be denied a job because they are black anymore. 30 years ago thqt was reality but not anymore.

You are going a bit far. No one will TELL you that you aren't hired because you are black, because then you will immediately go to a lawyer and sue.

They can find many euphemisms which achieve the same goal. Not having the right "fit", being a common one.

Having said that the reality is that people hire those who know, and those who fit the image which they think is appropriate. So while this doesn't prevent blacks from being hired, it does present them with additional challenges.
 
Old 06-10-2014, 11:48 AM
 
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If that was the case, then in none of the Latin American countries a mulatto/mixed category would even exist.

Care to explain why so many country's official demographic data does show this segment, especially in countries with large mulatto populations?

A few of them:

Brazil: white 47.7%, mulatto (mixed white and black) 43.1%, black 7.6%, Asian 1.1%, indigenous 0.4% (2010 est.)

Colombia: mestizo 58%, white 20%, mulatto 14%, black 4%, mixed black-Amerindian 3%, Amerindian 1%

Costa Rica: white or mestizo 83.6%, mulato 6.7%, indigenous 2.4%, black of African descent 1.1%, other 1.1%, none 2.9%, unspecified 2.2% (2011 est.)

Cuba: white 64.1%, mestizo 26.6%, black 9.3% (2012 est.)

Dominican Republic: mixed 73%, white 16%, black 11%

Panama: mestizo (mixed Amerindian and white) 70%, Amerindian and mixed (West Indian) 14%, white 10%, Amerindian 6%


Even outside Latin America, here are some of plenty of countries where mulattoes/mixed are seen for what they are.

Cape Verde: Creole (mulatto) 71%, African 28%, European 1%

Antigua and Barbuda: black 91%, mixed 4.4%, white 1.7%, other 2.9% (2001 census)

Bahamas: black 90.6%, white 4.7%, black and white 2.1%, other 1.9%, unspecified 0.7% (2010 est.)

Barbados: black 92.4%, white 2.7%, mixed 3.1%, East Indian 1.3%, other 0.2%, unspecified 0.2% (2010 est.)

Dominica: black 86.8%, mixed 8.9%, Carib Amerindian 2.9%, white 0.8%, other 0.7% (2001 census)

Jamaica: black 92.1%, mixed 6.1%, East Indian 0.8%, other 0.4%, unspecified 0.7% (2011 est.)

Saint Lucia: black/African descent 85.3%, mixed 10.9%, East Indian 2.2%, other 1.6%, unspecified 0.1% (2010 est.)

South Africa: black African 79.2%, white 8.9%, colored 8.9%, Indian/Asian 2.5%, other 0.5% (2011 est.)

Trinidad & Tobago: East Indian 35.4%, African 34.2%, mixed - other 15.3%, mixed African/East Indian 7.7%, other 1.3%, unspecified 6.2% (2011 est.)

Turks & Caicos Islands: black 87.6%, white 7.9%, mixed 2.5%, East Indian 1.3%, other 0.7% (2006)

Zimbabwe: African 98% (Shona 82%, Ndebele 14%, other 2%), mixed and Asian 1%, white less than 1%

https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...s/2075.html#mx

Some of those are totally off, some so laughable to be the stuff of fantasy. Cuba is not 26% mestizo (European/Amerindian), and definitely not 64%white. More like 30% white, 60% black/mulatto, 9% mestizo, 1% Asian (Chinese and Vietnamese).
 
Old 06-10-2014, 11:51 AM
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Pretty easy. It depends on your definition of mulatto and black........while generally, mixed African/European people are considered mulatto in Latin America, those who are more African than European are usually seen as black as well. That has always been the case in places like Brazil, where recognizably African but technically mixed people such as Gilberto Gil are identified as and self-identify as black. Of course, people who look like Gil in, say, the Dominican Republic, would probably run from the "black" designation.
Gilberto Gil


Similar looking well known Dominican artist (colloquially known as el negrito de Villa Altagracia):



That type is often known as negro/moreno among Dominicans.

Like I said before, the mulatto category is real both genetically (everywhere) and socially (especially in the countries with large mulatto populations). Case in point, I'm not the one lying in the other posts.
 
Old 06-10-2014, 11:54 AM
 
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Gilberto Gil


Similar looking well known Dominican artist (colloquially known as el negrito de Villa Altagracia):



That type is often known as negro/moreno among Dominicans.

Like I said before, the mulatto category is real both genetically (everywhere) and socially (especially in the countries with large mulatto populations). Case in point, I'm not the one lying in the other posts.
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Old 06-10-2014, 11:56 AM
 
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If that was the case, then in none of the Latin American countries a mulatto/mixed category would even exist.

cations/the-world-factbook/fields/2075.html#mx

My question to you is why does this matter. Especially when such categorizations are arbitrary any way. Brazil puts pardos in a catch all category, while the treatment that individual pardos gets varies on how they look. Those with more visible African ancestry treated worse than those with less. Many indeed getting treated no better than the blacks. The pardos who look like Obama as an example.

And in case you don't know, there is a biracial category in the US census where people can enter as many categories of "races" as they wish, or can just check "other". Obama prefers to check "black" as is his right, because as he says, he doesn't get treated any different from a black person whose Euro ancestry is more distant. In this the USA and Brazil are alike despite all the pretense that it isn't.

Of course the Obamas in the USA can query why blacks are under represented in certain situations. They can't in Brazil, as it runs contrary to the "myth" which Brazil tries to peddle. Should they do so they will be damned as introducing US racism......ditto in Cuba....Colombia......well you get the drift.
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