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Old 05-17-2013, 12:30 PM
 
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And native Kenyans can say he doesn't like look one of them. Yet, people insist on calling him black. Why should we choose his black side over his white side? He looks neither European nor East African.
Really?

 
Old 07-22-2013, 08:44 PM
 
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I don't see any European features in Barack Obama. He couldn't possibly count as the 44th white president.
It's obviously easy to detect the European ancestry in Obama.
 
Old 07-22-2013, 08:50 PM
 
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The only Brazilians who would show test 0 percent European in a DNA test are Indigenous Amerindian tribes and most Japanese Brazilians.

Bahia is is suppose to be the so-called "Blackest" state in Brazil, yet even the average Baiano still has more European admixture than the average African American.
Keep in mind that those genetic tests are subjective. Not every person in the region was tested...
 
Old 07-23-2013, 08:45 AM
 
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It's neither of the above. It's what other people perceive them to be, and categorize them as.

Is Barack Obama the first black president, or the 44th white one? The only thing that counts is what people think.
If you think what other people think is more important then perhaps you might as well remain a slave or something.
 
Old 07-23-2013, 08:49 AM
 
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Brazil has the highest number of Blacks outside of Africa. So in fact, Brazil has more Blacks than the USA. The numbers might vary depending on which racial classification is used. Remember, this is Brazil, no one drop rule. In the USA, anyone with Black ancestry is considered Black(even with one drop). In Brazil, having some African ancestry doesn't automatically mean you're Black.

My mother, for instance, is an African-American women. She also has light skin. She has Creole ancestry, as well as Irish, and Native American, and possibly German. She was actually mistaken for Puerto Rican once, by another Puerto Rican. In America, she is considered Black. In Brazil, she would be considered mulatto, possibly cafuzo(because of her Native American ancestry).
Many of the classifications are more so phenotype and skin color descriptors, and have nothing to do with race.
 
Old 07-23-2013, 08:54 AM
 
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In the US, the Black population did not mix with Whites as often as Brazilians. There was some intermixing going on between Master and slave, but very little mix marriages and cohabitation. There was some creolization going on in some US states such as in Louisiana, whose descendants develop a culture and identity separate from the Black majority. However, the Dred Scott case killed any hope of a mixed or mulatto society. This is when the one-drop rule began to apply and be put into practice. Therefore, groups such as Creoles of Color and Black Indians as well as West Indians and Black Africans were all classified as black despite having a separate identity and origin. The only exception to the rule today is if you are Black Hispanic. On the census they are still classified as Black, but for what ever reason, they are placed in the Hispanic category and not Black/African American. Nowadays mix people aren't even forced to identify as Black on the census, but are forced to do so by society.

Brazil on the other hand was racially mixed from the beginning. Majority of Portuguese settlers Portugal's many colonies were men. Therefore, they the only women who were available to them were the natives. That's why there's also such a large Mestizo (White and Native American) population in Brazil. However, since so many slaves from Africa entered Brazil the predominantly White male population was becoming outnumber. Thus, miscegenation increased tenfold between Black women and White Males. As a result, it created a fairly large mulatto class that also served as the buffer between the wealthy White elite and the Black slaves. In Brazil today, although the Blacks there look no different from African Americans, many of them don't identity as Black. Therefore, the only people to identify with their Blackness are either afrocentric or features are mostly African.
Where are you getting your information from, because what you stated is a bunch of bull!!! Mixing occurred very much throughout what is now the USA. Please do deeper research.

And it wasn't just between master and slave
 
Old 07-23-2013, 08:56 AM
 
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In the US, the Black population did not mix with Whites as often as Brazilians. There was some intermixing going on between Master and slave, but very little mix marriages and cohabitation. There was some creolization going on in some US states such as in Louisiana, whose descendants develop a culture and identity separate from the Black majority. However, the Dred Scott case killed any hope of a mixed or mulatto society. This is when the one-drop rule began to apply and be put into practice. Therefore, groups such as Creoles of Color and Black Indians as well as West Indians and Black Africans were all classified as black despite having a separate identity and origin. The only exception to the rule today is if you are Black Hispanic. On the census they are still classified as Black, but for what ever reason, they are placed in the Hispanic category and not Black/African American. Nowadays mix people aren't even forced to identify as Black on the census, but are forced to do so by society.

Brazil on the other hand was racially mixed from the beginning. Majority of Portuguese settlers Portugal's many colonies were men. Therefore, they the only women who were available to them were the natives. That's why there's also such a large Mestizo (White and Native American) population in Brazil. However, since so many slaves from Africa entered Brazil the predominantly White male population was becoming outnumber. Thus, miscegenation increased tenfold between Black women and White Males. As a result, it created a fairly large mulatto class that also served as the buffer between the wealthy White elite and the Black slaves. In Brazil today, although the Blacks there look no different from African Americans, many of them don't identity as Black. Therefore, the only people to identify with their Blackness are either afrocentric or features are mostly African.
Wrong. One drop rule has NOTHING to do with slavery. One drop rule was during Jim Crow and only legally enforced from 1930 to 1965. In 1967 it was fully abolished by Loving V. Virginia court ruling.
 
Old 07-27-2013, 01:07 AM
 
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brazil black population is bigger than american this is fact. i u counted pardos in america like they do in brazil the us black population would be 2/3 smaller. and even some blacks would be considered white if u count like brazil does. genetically as a whole brazil is blacker than americans. the number of whites in the usa dwarfs blacks and once u move out of the south and midatlantic areas adjacent to the south like maryland or urban areas in northeast of midwest it becomes obvious.
That depends. The population that is categorized as black in Brazil is only somewhere between 6% and 10% of the population. Brazil is considered to more so mostly mixed race and more white than anything according to censuses
 
Old 08-11-2013, 09:46 PM
 
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There are more Black people in Brazil than any country outside of Africa. The difference is that in Brazil many of African ancestry who have European/Indigenous admixture are not counted as Black rather Pardo.
 
Old 08-13-2013, 06:47 AM
 
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I don't see any European features in Barack Obama. He couldn't possibly count as the 44th white president.
The man looks like both to me...he is just as much European as he is African.
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