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Old 06-21-2012, 02:17 AM
 
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Officially there are a little over 13 million afro-brazillians in brazil (6.9%) compared to the 42 million african-americans in the US (13.6%).

Now i was under the impression brazil was the country in the americas with the most people of african decent? and it would make sense since brazil actually received the largest import of african slaves almost ten times the number of slaves from africa than the us did.

Can someone clear up this confusion for me?

 
Old 06-21-2012, 05:34 AM
 
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Many Brazilians that fall under the "Pardo" racial category would be considered Black in the United States. There are a lot more people of African decent in Brazil than the U.S.

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Old 06-21-2012, 11:18 AM
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The number of actual blacks in the US is less than the official figure. Remember that the US is in a serious denial of its mixed race population, especially their significant black/white mixed people. Having said this, things are changing.

Here's a map that shows the percentages (in pie charts) of each race in the Americas. All you have to do is figure out what's the population of each country and then you will have an idea of the size of each race, including those that are mixed. Notice that in the US, blacks make up roughly half of African Americans while the other half is composed of mulattoes (white/black mixed). Despite that, there are more pure blacks in the US than in Brazil, but Brazil has more people of full and partial African descent than the US.

LINK: Racial Composition of the Americas (in Spanish)

Color Code (Each word is colored to reflect its portion in each pie chart)

Native American / Amerindian
Mestizo (Amerindian/white mixed)
Caucasian
Mulatto (White/black mixed)
Black (predominantly Sub-saharan African)
East Asian (
China, Japan, etc)
Indian (from India)
Garifuna, Zambo (Amerindian/black mixed), or Multiracial
Javanese (from the island of Java in Indonesia)
Other origins, other mixes

Note: Each category was listed here as it appears in the lower left corner of the map.

Latin American countries with significant mulatto/black populations are Cuba, Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico, Venezuela, Colombia, Panama and Brazil.
 
Old 06-21-2012, 11:52 AM
 
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In the US, I believe that 80% of the genes of all of those that identify as Black/African-American are African. So, I don't know how half of the Black people in the US are really Mulatto. About 30% of White people in the US have African genes supposedly ranging from 2-20%. This is according to a Scientific American article on race that I read several years ago.

Here's some more information: Black African American Demographics Geography (look at the bottom)
 
Old 06-21-2012, 12:00 PM
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I thought the typical white admixture in African Americans ranged from 15% to 30% of DNA?

Anyway, I personally think that anyone with a predominant race admixture that is less than 90%, can be considered mixed since usually something shows physically that points to some mixture. Obviously the greater the admixture, the more pronounced the physical tell-tell signs that there was a mixture somewhere down a person's genetic tree.

I've seen studies that have concluded that white genes are much more prevalent in African Americans than black genes in European-Americans. It actually makes sense when you think about it.
 
Old 06-21-2012, 12:08 PM
 
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Despite that, there are more pure blacks in the US than in Brazil, but Brazil has more people of full and partial African descent than the US.
You are absolutely correct. It only makes sense with Brazil's racial history that the Black population would have a much larger racially mixed population compared to the Black population in the US.
 
Old 06-21-2012, 03:47 PM
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You are absolutely correct. It only makes sense with Brazil's racial history that the Black population would have a much larger racially mixed population compared to the Black population in the US.
True, and there is a reason. African slaves were brought from Angola, which makes sense as Angola is across the ocean from Brazil, and much closer to Brazil than the much of West Africa is to North America. It was a Portuguese colony. When the Portuguese colonized what is now Brazil, it was mainly a male colonization. Because there were hardly any Portuguese women, the Portuguese men mixed with African female slaves. Some of the British colonizers had liaisons with African slaves, but never recognized the offspring of such relations. Portuguese men often did recognize the offspring as their children, absorbed them, taught them Portuguese, making some of them part of society. Racial mixing in Brazil was more common than in the USA because there wasn't any "one drop" rule in Brazil.
 
Old 06-21-2012, 05:03 PM
 
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The first real big wave of immigration to the US was in the 1840s ans 50s. They were Irish and Germans,who mainly setttled in cities. Many Germans also settled in the midwest. Both groups settled mostly in the north where their were very few blacks until ww1. Therefore,not many of these people have African blood. BTW,German and Irish are by far the most common ancestries.
Later,a even bigger wave came in the 1880s from eastern and southern Europe. The vast majority of these people settled in large northeast and midwest cities. Again,blacks didn't start arriving in big numbers until the 1920s,and even then they were very segregated. Very little race mixing.
My point is the poster who claims the US is in denial about mixed race is wrong. Most white Americans ancestors had little chance to mix with whites. Now,in certain cases,like in New Orleans and in the south their was some race mixing. That's a pretty small group though.
 
Old 06-21-2012, 06:01 PM
 
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In the US, I believe that 80% of the genes of all of those that identify as Black/African-American are African. So, I don't know how half of the Black people in the US are really Mulatto. About 30% of White people in the US have African genes supposedly ranging from 2-20%. This is according to a Scientific American article on race that I read several years ago.

Here's some more information: Black African American Demographics Geography (look at the bottom)
Exactly. Approximately 30% of all Americans have black ancestry, and most African-Americans fall under the the "pardo" category of Brazil. I think due to the cultural differences regarding race, it's difficult to compare the two countries. I remember reading somewhere that in the US, one drop of "black" blood made you black, but in Brazil, one drop of "White" blood made you white.

In the US, there is a need to neatly categorize races and groups, with the intent of keeping "whites" pure, while in Brazil, the intention was for whites to "elevate" non-whites. These two different tactics created different results.

But yes, to quickly answer your question, there are more people with black ancestry in Brazil than the US, but if 30% of the US has "black" blood in them, the differences isn't that large...
 
Old 06-21-2012, 06:19 PM
 
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Hard to say because Brazil has broader categories of race than the US.

People who would be classified as black in the US would often not be considered black in Brazil.
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