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But let me add, even that is still black and white. When you say "The South is known for being religious and Republican" is leaving a lot of room for thought.
1. That mean there's a large voting block that is religious and Republican not that every one is, a significant pop isn't.
2. What about moderates? In most southern states, liberal and moderates balance with conservative, there's hard red states and leading red states.
3. Religious? I know people that go to strip clubs every Friday but in church on sunday.
There's only as small tiny minority of nuts going around throwing religion in people faces, and most republicans aren't as stuck up as people think. But that's the sad thing about stereotyping people are more than statistics. But I don't no where this idea that liberals and Conservatives can't get along common from.
If they balance with conservatives, can you please point me to a moderate or liberal senator from a southern state? No, they don't balance, the South is extreme right wing, conservative and religious. Nothing remotely like where I live.
As far as the hypocrisy of Southern rednecks, of course, we all know that. The South has the highest murder rates among both races, and also the highest church attendance. Go figure. It really is the most bizarre region among all industrialized nations. Very hard to wrap your head around.
If they balance with conservatives, can you please point me to a moderate or liberal senator from a southern state? No, they don't balance, the South is extreme right wing, conservative and religious. Nothing remotely like where I live.
As far as the hypocrisy of Southern rednecks, of course, we all know that. The South has the highest murder rates among both races, and also the highest church attendance. Go figure. It really is the most bizarre region among all industrialized nations. Very hard to wrap your head around.
The Upper Midwest has a large church going attendance(Catholics and Lutherans though), and a very low murder rate. Has alot more to do with the culture. In the Deep South, there has long been the honor culture. Duels were long common in the Deep South. Alot of people talk about the Wild West. Alot of people don't think about how the antebellum South was. Alot of violence back then. Even today you still have it
Exactly. In the South, conservatives tend to be the polar opposite of libertarian: fiscally more liberal yet socially conservative. They'll support certain social programs and such that a conservative in Montana would never dream of supporting. At the same time, most of the military tradition of conservatism is southern, while the "mind your own business" ones are western.
As for liberalism, in the north west, we have the most liberal pro-gun people on Earth. It's not uncommon for people to be members of the Sierra Club and/or Parents and Friends of Lesbians and Gays (P-Flag) and the NRA at the same time. Yet in the mid-Atlantic states, their liberals are the "gun grabbers" people in the South constantly hate on but here, the liberals will gladly ban plastic bags but would NEVER ban handguns.
So why the difference? Different outlooks, different histories, different cultures. The Mid-Atlantic states didn't have the post-Civil War pioneers roots we have in the North West. Other parts of the west (the Plains and mountain states) have pre-Civil War pioneer roots and are more libertarian in mindset, and the South has that whole colonial/feudal thing. The result is different demographics, different peoples, different cultures and different ideas.
Not only that but in the South, there is a tendency to self segregate that doesn't exist in other places. Successful blacks live in nicer black neighborhoods and have a separate culture, while in the North West the opposite is true. But, the divide isn't as big as it seems: so many southern blacks are homophobic and socially conservative. There is a reason Mike Huckabee won such a big chunk of the black vote in Arkansas when he ran for governor.
It would. I mean, Texas and the South West as the legacy of the Mexican War to deal with and have huge Latino populations, the South has the Black Belt and the massive Native populations in the mountain states. Not to mention the different European cultures: Mormonism (of English descent) in the Mormon territory, Christian fundamentalism (of Scottish and English descent) in the South and non-religion (all kinds but with many Scandinavians and Asians) in the North West:
In short, the differences between the differences between the PNW, the South and the South West are just as great as those between the English and the Scottish, if not greater.
The answer is symbol: either let us go our separate ways or at least allow us regional control and no longer allow so many senators and congressmen from 2,000 miles away who don't share our values run our lives.
The South and the West are complete opposites. That is what I meant by gradations.
Mike Huckabee might have gotten a large chuck of the Black population in Arkansas, but that doesn't say it all. Generally, Blacks in the South vote Democrat no matter what, which buck the general voting trend in the South, which is staunchly Republican. Whatever homophobic attitudes exist, alot of Blacks put it aside to vote for who they think will act in their interests. Many successful Blacks in the South do live in neighborhoods populated mainly with Blacks. However, this doesn't exist with everyone. Integrated neighborhoods do exist in the South. I just think the amount of self-segregation is higher.
With me, I don't exactly fit in to alot of Southern culture either, Black or White. I'm Black, Catholic, I don't like the Confederate flag, I tend to use a bicycle to get around, I root for teams in Seattle, I can't stand NASCAR, I have had trouble fitting into Southern White or Southern Black cultures. I once lived in Everett,WA.
Texas and the South would be the BIGGEST battleground if there were ever a breakup. As you said, the South has the Black Belt. What I'm speculating is how it would work out? Would it be peaceful, or would it end up like the struggle that occurred in former Yugoslavia?
As for the religious factor, I have to say this. While the Pacific Northwest does have the highest proportion of unchurched persons in the USA. However, when you look at actual numbers, this still leaves a large majority of the population that is religious.
You realize there are liberals in the south right especially in major metros? Folks who want secession are radical, I can tell you right now before the Georgia gov wants to join a "CSA" the state gov would have to answer to the 32% of blacks, or the general 40% minority pop it has, plus the white liberal and moderates who disagree with it. You seem to have the ideal that states are all red or all blue that not how it works. During the national election states are winner takes all so if a state is 60% red and 40% it would become a red won state that doesn't change it's 40% blue. Besides that your post is overly stereotyping. Honestly I don't know many people who like NASCAR. And how you know there aren't many people down here who share your interest? Because your comment is over the top generalizing and insulting.
On the topic session though true nothing last forever but I believe if the US does break it will be on a Issue that we are yet to know about. And how the US will break will be an even bigger mystery. As I said states are not monolithic so it has to be something the overwhelming majority of a state agree on. With the opposing of another state in which the overwhelming feels the opposite.
European and Asian countries have larger histories, that historically were different nations in which had long histories that join together who had different languages and ethnic make ups. A lot of the time large empire expanded over smaller nations that later break apart because of such reasons.
There's nothing in the US that compared to Kazakhstan breaking from the USSR. Kazakh Khanate was a nation lasting centuries before the Russian empire came. Other nations had prior history as well, like Georgia, Armenia and etc also. The US history is too young and diverse with in itself to break apart like that. For instance Cali was once part of Mexico and Spain but why would Cali separate from NY for such reasons? Most people have no connection to that history like that Cali boom because people coming from the East and later people from all over. The US is nothing like the USSR. Texas was it's own country for just 10 years, and it's ironic because it broke from mexico because it was too American. Even with in that most Texans roots today don't go back that far to want to recreate the republic of Texas. Talking about the USSR your talking about people who had separate nationally loyalties to ancestry in same spot for centuries. The US is not in that contexts.
Exactly. People who talk about northwest 'secession' don't take into consideration that there's very liberal cities like Austin, Houston(with a Lesbian mayor), New Orleans, Atlanta, etc... that wouldn't have it any other way. Plus as demographics change in these states, politics will start to change. Right now we're seeing the worst of a dying philosophy.
If they balance with conservatives, can you please point me to a moderate or liberal senator from a southern state? No, they don't balance, the South is extreme right wing, conservative and religious. Nothing remotely like where I live.
It only takes 51% to make a majority, if conservatives win buy at least by 51% a win is a win. But that means even if 49% was liberal and moderates they still lost. And just because they lost doesn't mean they don't exist, But that's what y'all are saying, because conservatives win = they are "extream right wing" states. When in reality they are moderates states that lead more conservative.
For example in 2008 Georgia was a red state but what really happen was McCain, won with 52.2% Obama only lost with having 47.0%. In 2004 it was Bush 58.0% to John Kerry 41.4%. In 2000 bush beat Gore 54.7% to 43.0%. In 96 Dole beat Clinton 47.0% to 45.8%, in 92 Clinton actually Won 43.47% to Senor Bush 42.88%.
This means Georgia leans conservative but "extreme right wing" hell no, there a significant liberal and moderate pop nearly half the state. Of course GA is not the only state like this TX with it's major cities, FL is actually a swing state. VA and NC actually went to Obama in 2008.
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As far as the hypocrisy of Southern rednecks, of course, we all know that. The South has the highest murder rates among both races, and also the highest church attendance. Go figure. It really is the most bizarre region among all industrialized nations. Very hard to wrap your head around.
This is odd for me as a black person to even read, because the south is the second most diverse region in the country. Then most white southerners I would never describe as "rednecks"
Second, you have this ideal and image that you WANT to be true. Southerner = redneck, A christian person = "bible thumper" or have no secular life something along those lines. Truth is most conservative aren't that much different from most liberals outside of politics was my main point. Most conservatives I know I hate their political views everything is a straw man that taxes are too big... Aww. But most things they do are no different from most liberals. Running into people on streets people don't think about politics.
Third, I was serious, I was in Texas with a friend we went to a stripe club in Dallas call Club Onyx on a Saturday. My cousin who we was with wanted to go to another on Sunday, our friend said no, not on a Sunday and told us later on he would have to go to the late service for church. What this means is he believe in god and go to church but his life he lives is very secular. But you just call my friend a "redneck" when he's black. Which is bizarre on so many levels. This is usually when people put there heads in sand.
Fourth, the people who "murder" aren't christian at all, and it has nothing to do with politics left or right wing. How ever it's more obvious you just have a hate for the south and your just trying to throw random bull that don't even make since.
The South and the West are complete opposites. That is what I meant by gradations.
Mike Huckabee might have gotten a large chuck of the Black population in Arkansas, but that doesn't say it all. Generally, Blacks in the South vote Democrat no matter what, which buck the general voting trend in the South, which is staunchly Republican. Whatever homophobic attitudes exist, alot of Blacks put it aside to vote for who they think will act in their interests. Many successful Blacks in the South do live in neighborhoods populated mainly with Blacks. However, this doesn't exist with everyone. Integrated neighborhoods do exist in the South. I just think the amount of self-segregation is higher.
With me, I don't exactly fit in to alot of Southern culture either, Black or White. I'm Black, Catholic, I don't like the Confederate flag, I tend to use a bicycle to get around, I root for teams in Seattle, I can't stand NASCAR, I have had trouble fitting into Southern White or Southern Black cultures. I once lived in Everett,WA.
Texas and the South would be the BIGGEST battleground if there were ever a breakup. As you said, the South has the Black Belt. What I'm speculating is how it would work out? Would it be peaceful, or would it end up like the struggle that occurred in former Yugoslavia?
Yugoslavia didn't plan for it. If and when The Empire goes the way of the Dodo bird hopefully we'll be able to deal with these issues. Blacks are moving back to the South (why, I don't know) in droves and they have enough numbers there to assure their self-interests are protected, likewise Latinos in the SW. In the end, it will be a similar answer to those Estonians living in Russia and the Russians living in Estonia: cross migration. We in Cascadia will, basically, be a social democracy, like Denmark or Sweden. All the wingnuts here (the minority) who can't stand it can move to Dixie, Texas etc. Likewise, all the Cascadians-at-heart in Texas, Dixie etc and move here.
And if things do fall apart in Dixie, oh well, not my concern and it's not our problem up here that the South never learned to get along in the same way we have up here.
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As for the religious factor, I have to say this. While the Pacific Northwest does have the highest proportion of unchurched persons in the USA. However, when you look at actual numbers, this still leaves a large majority of the population that is religious.
Yes, but we don't have nearly the same amount of crazy fundies as they have in Dixie. We're a secular place...not to say we hate religion, just that we consider religion to be something personal and not to wear on one's sleeve or shove down people's throats. It's just the culture of Cascadia.
Some of the generalities posters make about regions shows they haven't stepped outside of their comfort zone. Likely they haven't spent time in any of these places and just spew old stereotypes.
The U.S. isn't going to break apart. We've made it through much worse.
It only takes 51% to make a majority, if conservatives win buy at least by 51% a win is a win. But that means even if 49% was liberal and moderates they still lost. And just because they lost doesn't mean they don't exist, But that's what y'all are saying, because conservatives win = they are "extream right wing" states. When in reality they are moderates states that lead more conservative.
For example in 2008 Georgia was a red state but what really happen was McCain, won with 52.2% Obama only lost with having 47.0%. In 2004 it was Bush 58.0% to John Kerry 41.4%. In 2000 bush beat Gore 54.7% to 43.0%. In 96 Dole beat Clinton 47.0% to 45.8%, in 92 Clinton actually Won 43.47% to Senor Bush 42.88%.
This means Georgia leans conservative but "extreme right wing" hell no, there a significant liberal and moderate pop nearly half the state. Of course GA is not the only state like this TX with it's major cities, FL is actually a swing state. VA and NC actually went to Obama in 2008.
This is odd for me as a black person to even read, because the south is the second most diverse region in the country. Then most white southerners I would never describe as "rednecks"
Second, you have this ideal and image that you WANT to be true. Southerner = redneck, A christian person = "bible thumper" or have no secular life something along those lines. Truth is most conservative aren't that much different from most liberals outside of politics was my main point. Most conservatives I know I hate their political views everything is a straw man that taxes are too big... Aww. But most things they do are no different from most liberals. Running into people on streets people don't think about politics.
Third, I was serious, I was in Texas with a friend we went to a stripe club in Dallas call Club Onyx on a Saturday. My cousin who we was with wanted to go to another on Sunday, our friend said no, not on a Sunday and told us later on he would have to go to the late service for church. What this means is he believe in god and go to church but his life he lives is very secular. But you just call my friend a "redneck" when he's black. Which is bizarre on so many levels. This is usually when people put there heads in sand.
Fourth, the people who "murder" aren't christian at all, and it has nothing to do with politics left or right wing. How ever it's more obvious you just have a hate for the south and your just trying to throw random bull that don't even make since.
Bernie Sanders is my favorite Senator...he's also openly socialist, as are many people in Vermont:
In Cascadia, being a Socialist doesn't bat and eyebrow...how are socialists accepted in the good old south? Would Bernie Sanders ever win in North Carolina? Because I mean, a liberal in Vermont is EXACTLY the same as a liberal in North Carolina, right?
Also, the South is getting WORSE than it was before. The Tea Party is crazy powerful down there and Southern democrats are on the endangered species list:
And yes, a socialist like Bernie Sanders, who's a hero in Vermont, would be as welcome in Georgia as a neo-nazi would in Israel. Face it: WE ARE NOT THE SAME.
The only solution is either A) greater regional control and more rights to the states or B) end the Empire once and for all.
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