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Some of the generalities posters make about regions shows they haven't stepped outside of their comfort zone. Likely they haven't spent time in any of these places and just spew old stereotypes.
The U.S. isn't going to break apart. We've made it through much worse.
I've lived on two costs, have family in Georgia and South Carolina, and have traveled to all but five states. I've seen enough of the Empire to understand it is held together only by a federal government that nobody really likes and we "Americans" usually have little or nothing in common.
I'm a Socialist and a Gnostic who likes heavy metal and white girls (I'm half black) Just how welcome would I be in Dixie? About as welcome as Christian fundy wing-nuts who doesn't recycle and screams about "them Mexicans" would be here.
The bottom line is Americans aren't very different from each other, just our rhetoric. That is it.
Republicans and Democrats PRETEND to be different, so that the brainwashed masses will vote for them, but ultimately, they're paid by the same benefactors.
Nobody's going anywhere anytime soon. Maybe somebody like Alaska or Hawaii will chip off or something, but there's no way that anybody in the lower 48 could go somewhere without a MASSIVE war taking place.
And as much as y'all are hating on The South, one thing those people know how to do is fight. You beatniks do not want to fight those rednecks in a war for independence. You will lose. The Civil War was an anomaly, the North has gotten softer, while the South has remained the same honor culture that they always have.
Even if you succeeded in secession, they'd immediately be able to win you back whenever they decided to take you back.
In Cascadia, being a Socialist doesn't bat and eyebrow...how are socialists accepted in the good old south? Would Bernie Sanders ever win in North Carolina? Because I mean, a liberal in Vermont is EXACTLY the same as a liberal in North Carolina, right?
Yes because if they're not a liberal there not a liberal if they are not a conservative they are not a conservative. What is a liberal and a conservative are, doesn't change in the same country. Seriously you believe there people walking around calling themselves a American liberal or progressive not believing in the progressive tax and etc. )
It's getting more obvious you know little about politics
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Also, the South is getting WORSE than it was before. The Tea Party is crazy powerful down there and Southern democrats are on the endangered species list:
And yes, a socialist like Bernie Sanders, who's a hero in Vermont, would be as welcome in Georgia as a neo-nazi would in Israel. Face it: WE ARE NOT THE SAME.
The only solution is either A) greater regional control and more rights to the states or B) end the Empire once and for all.
Again it's getting more obvious you know little about politics. DUDE you can't pass for an American liberal not believing the progressive tax, gay marriage and etc. Either your a liberal or not and learn what a moderate is.
First of all as there's a moderate left, there's a moderate right. Just because some folks don't believe in same sex marriage doesn't make them right ring nuts and just as there's a wing nut right there's a wing nut liberal side as well.
Second moderate in general are in the middle, they themselves are a mix of conservative and liberal ideas. I said Liberals and moderates "which are not the same thing" make nearly half the state. Which make the other half conservative alone.
Third since this is true conservatives will win most of the time, It only take is 51%. But this doesn't change now nearly half the state are moderates and liberals.
Fourth a right wing nut is some who goes into fights yelling at gays, Most southern conservatives are not "biogot" or "bibble thumper" as your saying. Meaning they disagree with gays getting married. But they aren't going to preach to gays, a lot of conservatives would still have gay friends and etc.
Fifth, the far right wing is in panic mode because they know the south is changing. This is why they feel "they are losing their America" The tea party is a anger burst, it's like a last cry for them.
But I get it though, your so far off to the left, you either think moderates are conservatives or you don't know what they are. At the same time basic conservative all are right wing nuts.
Liberals and moderates nearly 50%
Basic Conservatives 45%
The far wing nuts your exaggerating 5%
Yugoslavia didn't plan for it. If and when The Empire goes the way of the Dodo bird hopefully we'll be able to deal with these issues. Blacks are moving back to the South (why, I don't know) in droves and they have enough numbers there to assure their self-interests are protected,likewise Latinos in the SW. In the end, it will be a similar answer to those Estonians living in Russia and the Russians living in Estonia: cross migration. We in Cascadia will, basically, be a social democracy, like Denmark or Sweden. All the wingnuts here (the minority) who can't stand it can move to Dixie, Texas etc. Likewise, all the Cascadians-at-heart in Texas, Dixie etc and move here.
And if things do fall apart in Dixie, oh well, not my concern and it's not our problem up here that the South never learned to get along in the same way we have up here.
Why do blacks keep moving to the south? because wing nuts are a minority. Most Conservatives aren't extrem, and Liberals and moderates nearly make half the pop any ways. And most of your ideas about the culture of the south is off and strange.
Yes because if they're not a liberal there not a liberal if they are not a conservative they are not a conservative. What is a liberal and a conservative are, doesn't change in the same country. Seriously you believe there people walking around calling themselves a American liberal or progressive not believing in the progressive tax and etc. )
It's getting more obvious you know little about politics
I know more about politics then most. Again, if Bernie Sanders ran in Georgia, would he win? Even if he ran in a "liberal" district, would he win being openly socialist? (Actually, Social-Democrat would be a more fitting title) Let me spell it out to you: Vermont is too the left of most liberals in the South, as is Cascadia.
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Again it's getting more obvious you know little about politics. DUDE you can't pass for an American liberal not believing the progressive tax, gay marriage and etc. Either your a liberal or not and learn what a moderate is.
In other words, there are no liberals in the South. How many southern democrats really are fighting for gay marriage? How about socialized medicine? (Not that scam Obamacare) Few.
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But I get it though, your so far off to the left, you either think moderates are conservatives or you don't know what they are. At the same time basic conservative all are right wing nuts.
Let me spell this out to you, since you don't understand world politics: a moderate in the USA is a right-wing extremist anywhere else in the Western World. Obama is far to the right of your average politician in Denmark, Sweden, Germany etc. We in the PNW are closer to Green politics or Social-Democracy (like the New Democratic Party in Canada) then we are to American "liberalism".
I know more about politics then most. Again, if Bernie Sanders ran in Georgia, would he win? Even if he ran in a "liberal" district, would he win being openly socialist? (Actually, Social-Democrat would be a more fitting title) Let me spell it out to you: Vermont is too the left of most liberals in the South, as is Cascadia.
Let me spell at to you if you aren't a liberal you aren't liberal. But that's funny because I would actually describe myself as a Social-Democrat. I don't believe money simply flows downs if you give the rich taxes cuts.
Also there's nothing special a Bernie Sanders politics just he has openly call himself a socialist. Very few politians including the Northwest and cali liberals call themselves socialist, terms like progressive are way more common. The progresstive tax is the base of the whole idea, tax the wealthy more, tax lower income folks less and generally use the money for public needs. You can't quit now there nothing special about it, it's the democrats general platform.
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In other words, there are no liberals in the South. How many southern democrats really are fighting for gay marriage? How about socialized medicine? (Not that scam Obamacare) Few.
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These are basic Democrat party ideas dude. Also in other World I never remotely said what you just straw man back to me. Then conservative Democrats are a minority and they usually face backflash from the Democrat establishment in the south and often the people who voted them in. For not following the Democrat party principles, again it doesn't change.
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Let me spell this out to you, since you don't understand world politics: a moderate in the USA is a right-wing extremist anywhere else in the Western World.
This is how I know you don't about politics, Conservative means to keep the status quo or even to go back, because different countries have different status quo and heritage, what's liberal and conservative change from country to country with in itself.
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Obama is far to the right of your average politician in Denmark, Sweden, Germany etc. We in the PNW are closer to Green politics or Social-Democracy (like the New Democratic Party in Canada) then we are to American "liberalism".
I consider Obama center left I wish he was more liberal though, I believe Obama is going too soft. He's trying reach across and he gets nothing back in return. But my point is your extremely to the far left. How ever the political spectrum doesn't change to what want it to be. Obama is not far right, he's not even moderate right. Also you calling moderates and center right conservative "bible thumpers" and "redneck". I'm sorry it don't work that way.
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You know what? part of me being liberal is I'm a hard multiculturalist, if you feel like "Cascadia" is your land and the south is another. As long as you boasting the northwest and bashing the south with stereotypes and slurs your ethnocentric and prejudice. )
These are basic Democrat party ideas dude. Also in other World I never remotely said what you just straw man back to me. Then conservative Democrats are a minority and they usually face backflash from the Democrat establishment in the south and often the people who voted them in. For not following the Democrat party principles, again it doesn't change.
Okay, if those are the "basic principals of liberals", then why did Georgia vote 76% to make ALL SAME SEX UNIONS banned by the state constitution? Not just marriage but even civil unions?
Bottom line: what passes as a liberal in the South isn't anything like the socialists we have here in Cascadia or New England. "Liberal" congress people are like North Carolina's Heath Schuler: Heath Shuler - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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This is how I know you don't about politics, Conservative means to keep the status quo or even to go back, because different countries have different status quo and heritage, what's liberal and conservative change from country to country with in itself.
No, "conservative" in the American sense is a mixture of Classic Liberalism (known in the US as Libertarian, or advocating laissez-faire capitalism) and social conservatism...if conservatism was simply about maintaining the status quo, THEN WHY THE HELL DID THE CONSERVATIVES END THE STATUS QUO OF GLASS-STEAGALL?
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I consider Obama center left I wish he was more liberal though, I believe Obama is going too soft. He's trying reach across and he gets nothing back in return. But my point is your extremely to the far left. How ever the political spectrum doesn't change to what want it to be. Obama is not far right, he's not even moderate right. Also you calling moderates and center right conservative "bible thumpers" and "redneck". I'm sorry it don't work that way.
Now, what were you saying about Obozzo being "center-left"?
Words of the wise: unless they're libertarian (like Ron Paul) don't trust anyone to the right of Ralph Nader.
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You know what? part of me being liberal is I'm a hard multiculturalist, if you feel like "Cascadia" is your land and the south is another. As long as you boasting the northwest and bashing the south with stereotypes and slurs your ethnocentric and prejudice. )
In Cascadia, we believe firmly in minding our own business. If you want to think being gay is a sin, believe the world was created in the 1970s by a big guy in the sky and think that global warming is just God hugging us closer, fine. If you think your husband is king and you just want to cook and clean for him and never go to school because a woman shouldn't, fine. If you don't like black people and don't want to hang out with them, fine. But we ask just one thing: DON'T TRY TO MAKE YOUR BELIEVES THE LAW! We are adamant about separation of religion and state...this would never happen here:
Why do blacks keep moving to the south? because wing nuts are a minority. Most Conservatives aren't extrem, and Liberals and moderates nearly make half the pop any ways. And most of your ideas about the culture of the south is off and strange.
Again, if there were so many liberals and moderates in Georgia, then why did 76% of the population vote in favor of banning all recognition of same-sex unions?
And blacks are NOT THAT LIBERAL. They are some of the most religious, pro-life, anti-gay and anti-immigrant people you'll ever meet (I'm half black, so I should know) They're moving to Georgia because their way of life is welcome there, which is a black conservative way of life. Black conservativism tends to be socially conservative but fiscally more moderate to liberal, which is why Mike Huckabee did so well among blacks.
If a black democratic voter from Georgia moved to Cascadia, he or she would suddenly realize that they are in fact a conservative by our standards.
Yugoslavia didn't plan for it. If and when The Empire goes the way of the Dodo bird hopefully we'll be able to deal with these issues. Blacks are moving back to the South (why, I don't know) in droves and they have enough numbers there to assure their self-interests are protected, likewise Latinos in the SW. In the end, it will be a similar answer to those Estonians living in Russia and the Russians living in Estonia: cross migration. We in Cascadia will, basically, be a social democracy, like Denmark or Sweden. All the wingnuts here (the minority) who can't stand it can move to Dixie, Texas etc. Likewise, all the Cascadians-at-heart in Texas, Dixie etc and move here.
From what I know, Blacks are moving back to the South for jobs. However, I still want to get out of there if things go down as I might think they will. And the migration thing sounds like a plan.
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And if things do fall apart in Dixie, oh well, not my concern and it's not our problem up here that the South never learned to get along in the same way we have up here.
Well, if that happens, I can understand the open migration to Cascadia. However, this is how I look at it. I'm currently unemployed. I need to have money to migrate.
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Yes, but we don't have nearly the same amount of crazy fundies as they have in Dixie. We're a secular place...not to say we hate religion, just that we consider religion to be something personal and not to wear on one's sleeve or shove down people's throats. It's just the culture of Cascadia.
Again, if there were so many liberals and moderates in Georgia, then why did 76% of the population vote in favor of banning all recognition of same-sex unions?
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And blacks are NOT THAT LIBERAL. They are some of the most religious, pro-life, anti-gay and anti-immigrant people you'll ever meet (I'm half black, so I should know) They're moving to Georgia because their way of life is welcome there, which is a black conservative way of life. Black conservativism tends to be socially conservative but fiscally more moderate to liberal, which is why Mike Huckabee did so well among blacks.
If a black democratic voter from Georgia moved to Cascadia, he or she would suddenly realize that they are in fact a conservative by our standards.
But something to remember is this. Blacks are moving to the South for the jobs. That is the only reason my father ended up in Georgia.
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