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Old 08-01-2013, 09:01 AM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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But Cuba has no Civil Rights and no Economic Freedom, neither China. They will never hold free elections, not in Cuba, not in Venezuela (framed elections).

Elections would mean the end for the small group of "allegados" that owns the contry as if it was a sugar producing factory..that does not produce sugar.
You mean like in the USA, where a small group ol allegados get elected year after year to all political offices, or puppet politicians who are in bed with the "allegados that own the country"? Because the allegados also control the media, which decides who the candidaes will be in "unframed elections"? (Please use English, so people following this thread will know what you are talking about.)

International observers have found that the elections in Venezuela are less "framed" than in the USA, where elections have become an outright embarrassment and are the laughing stock of the free world. Please try to retain some shred of credibility in your posts.

What do you mean by "no civil rights"? Do you mean in Cuba, people are discriminated against and profiled by color, and almost the entire prison population consists of minority races, and minorities have only about half the income of the majority demographic? And the only health care people get is what they can afford to pay for with their race-and gender-imbalanced incomes? And minorities are routinely harassed by the police? And white Cubans can chase black Cubans through the streets, and then shoot them in self defense, and not eve be investigated by the police? Is that what you mean by "no civil rights"? Or does it mean that higher education is provided for those who can pay for it, not those who can earn it?

Aside from voting in sham, rigged elections for the same old allegados, exactly what civil rights to Americans have that Cubans do not have? You mean like free enterprise? Paint the word Taxi on the side of your car, and go pull up in front of the terminal at the airport. See hoe much free enterprise there is in the USA. Go and set up a grill on a public sidewalk and make hamburgers and sell them to people at lunchtime. See how much free enterprise there is in the USA.

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Old 08-01-2013, 09:58 AM
 
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Believe me, your demagogy is past overdue, you are using the typical communist nonsese, comparing things that can't be compared (Pravda's poshlost).

Such a reasoning does not work anymore, maybe 60 years ago. If you compare Hiroshima with a starving children and then you show some American black being hanged by the KKK, people will laugh at you.

Impossible to compare a totalitarian third world country and a first world democracy, no matter how defective it is.
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Old 08-01-2013, 11:23 AM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Believe me, your demagogy is past overdue, you are using the typical communist nonsese, comparing things that can't be compared (Pravda's poshlost).

Such a reasoning does not work anymore, maybe 60 years ago. If you compare Hiroshima with a starving children and then you show some American black being hanged by the KKK, people will laugh at you.

Impossible to compare a totalitarian third world country and a first world democracy, no matter how defective it is.

There you go again. Speak English, as required by the TOS of this forum. Then use your wonderful language skills to present facts or verifiable data, instead of just jabbering about allegedly framed elections in Venezuela and whatnot..

To whom are you responding, about Hiroshima and KKK?
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Old 08-01-2013, 02:15 PM
 
Location: Jamestown, NY
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Believe me, your demagogy is past overdue, you are using the typical communist nonsese, comparing things that can't be compared (Pravda's poshlost).

Such a reasoning does not work anymore, maybe 60 years ago. If you compare Hiroshima with a starving children and then you show some American black being hanged by the KKK, people will laugh at you.

Impossible to compare a totalitarian third world country and a first world democracy, no matter how defective it is.
Are you claiming that racist violence is a thing of the past in the US? Really? You must have missed the George Zimmerman trial.

I suspect that most Cubans aren't interested in rebelling against the current regime because they realize that they would likely be a whole lot worse off under "freedom" and "capitalism" ... like all those folks living in cardboard shanties in the slums of such capitalist meccas as Rio de Janeiro, Port Au Prince, Mexico City, etc.
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Old 08-01-2013, 04:24 PM
 
Location: Somewhere flat in Mississippi
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Are you claiming that racist violence is a thing of the past in the US? Really? You must have missed the George Zimmerman trial.

I suspect that most Cubans aren't interested in rebelling against the current regime because they realize that they would likely be a whole lot worse off under "freedom" and "capitalism" ... like all those folks living in cardboard shanties in the slums of such capitalist meccas as Rio de Janeiro, Port Au Prince, Mexico City, etc.

Do you think America's poor would be better off if they moved to Cuba?
Funny how all these people who talk about poor people being "better off" in Cuba never comment on the fact that a lot more people have left Cuba than moved to it over the past few decades.
Do you live in a cardboard shack, Linda? Or are you a typical bourgeois lefty?
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Old 08-02-2013, 05:36 AM
 
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I would also love to be a caviar communist, a righteous libertarian that spits at the same things that keeps him away from the world. They are sooo groovyyyy!!! and so old-fashioned!!!gl
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Old 08-02-2013, 06:53 AM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Do you think America's poor would be better off if they moved to Cuba?
Funny how all these people who talk about poor people being "better off" in Cuba never comment on the fact that a lot more people have left Cuba than moved to it over the past few decades.
Do you live in a cardboard shack, Linda? Or are you a typical bourgeois lefty?
Do you think America's poor would be better off if they moved to Haiti, or Bolivia, or Nicaragua? Why do you think it would be different for them in Cuba, than in any other Latin American underdeveloped country? Please, from the standpoint of a hypothetical US poor person, explain what exactly would the difference be? America's poor are poor for a reason, and they would still be poorer than most people, no matter what country they moved to.

Why do you think all those people left Mexico to go to the USA? They could vote in Mexico, what else could anybody possibly want? The reason they left Cuba was not because they wanted to vote, it was because they wanted American cash, and they heard that when they got there, they were not sent home (the way Mexicans are).

These are serious questions. Please answer them.
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Old 08-03-2013, 11:51 AM
 
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I want to be part of the Gauche Divine when I grow old. I want to be a useful idiot as communist call us. There's a beach under the cobblestones!!! Another world is possible!! Snoopy is my doggy pilot!!!gl

Freedom for the Five Heroes Hostages of Imperialism, Battle of Ideas. I want to participate in all-inclusive and free Forum with compañera included!!! Long Live Socialism of the 21th Century!! Maduro, a los yankees dales duro!!!
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Old 08-03-2013, 03:10 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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I want to be part of the Gauche Divine when I grow old. I want to be a useful idiot as communist call us. There's a beach under the cobblestones!!! Another world is possible!! Snoopy is my doggy pilot!!!gl

Freedom for the Five Heroes Hostages of Imperialism, Battle of Ideas. I want to participate in all-inclusive and free Forum with compañera included!!! Long Live Socialism of the 21th Century!! Maduro, a los yankees dales duro!!!

Umm, OK. Thanks. Bye.
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Old 08-04-2013, 01:42 AM
 
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Are you claiming that racist violence is a thing of the past in the US? Really? You must have missed the George Zimmerman trial.


I suspect that most Cubans aren't interested in rebelling against the current regime because they realize that they would likely be a whole lot worse off under "freedom" and "capitalism" ... like all those folks living in cardboard shanties in the slums of such capitalist meccas as Rio de Janeiro, Port Au Prince, Mexico City, etc.
Racist violence, don't make me laugh!! Have you ever been to the US?

They don't rebel because there are 2.000.000 cops named PNR. They can't be worse that the worst favela in Rio. Have you been to Cuba's slums (28 large slums in Havana).

glgl
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