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Old 12-28-2013, 11:56 PM
 
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And Brazil begin to improve when Socialist Lula Da Silva took over.

BBC News - How President Lula changed Brazil

That might be true but Brazil is hardly socialist. Compassionate capitalism maybe?
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Old 12-29-2013, 12:02 AM
 
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. . . and more than 40 percent of all U.S. workers actually make less than what a full-time minimum wage worker made back in 1968.

40% Of US Workers Now Earn Less Than 1968 Minimum Wage - Sound Money Institute

And yet tens of thousands of Cubans brave being shot by Cuban coastguards, eaten by sharks or risk drowning to get to the USA.

Now itemize how many US workers are literally dying to get to Cuba.
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Old 12-29-2013, 12:23 AM
 
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That might be true but Brazil is hardly socialist. Compassionate capitalism maybe?
Call it whatever you want
Brazil started doing better when "Socialist Lula" took over
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Old 12-29-2013, 04:30 AM
 
Location: Viña del Mar, Chile
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Call it whatever you want
Brazil started doing better when "Socialist Lula" took over

Brasil's "success" was just with the oil prices.

Brasil is in terrible condition right now and filled with corruption and crime. It is much worse now than it was even 5 years ago.
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Old 12-29-2013, 03:22 PM
 
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Call it whatever you want
Brazil started doing better when "Socialist Lula" took over

Except that Brazil is a PRIVATE sector dominated economy so one cannot call it socialist by any definition.

The "socialist" Lula transformed Brazil into a compassionate capitalist society.
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Old 12-29-2013, 03:45 PM
 
Location: US Empire, Pac NW
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Let's not forget that we keep imposing a crippling embargo on the country for something they did 50 years ago. That might have something to do with it too.
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Old 12-29-2013, 03:55 PM
 
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Let's not forget that we keep imposing a crippling embargo on the country for something they did 50 years ago. That might have something to do with it too.

Let us not forget that Cuba is the only country in the Americas which completely crushes its opponents and doesn't allow free discussion at any level, and has a total monopoly on the level of discussions that is accessible to most.

If Cuba decides tomorrow to allow freedom of speech and to put in place mechanisms to allow political parties to freely compete in elections the embargo will be done. Because the US government will have lost any moral excuse to maintain it. And there are many US corporations who are just itching for unfettered access to trade and investment opportunities in that nation. Yes the EVIL capitalists who most of you socialists deplore.

If there are 100 countries in the world who Cuba can trade with it freely trades with 99 of them. The USA is also one of its largest trading partners as we sell a large amount of food to them.

In addition Castro over the years damned capitalism as evil and the USA as Satan. So if the USA is so bad why should Cuba trade or have any interaction with them? You can't have it both ways.
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Old 12-29-2013, 06:39 PM
 
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The Soviet Union : "not socialism"
China : "not socialism"
Cambodia : "not socialism"
Vietnam : "not socialism"
North Korea : "not socialism"
Zimbabwe , Algeria, Tanzania etc : "not socialism"
The lefties always explain that way by claiming those countries aren't socialist but actually "state capitalist", a totally fictitious term meant to deflect from socialism's failure in providing a truly progressive economy for their people.
The perfect, almost laboratory like experiment in socialism v capitalism is North v South Korea. Same people, same language, same culture, same history but opposite economic systems. Here is what they look like at night, from space:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_v2pOgslN3m..._Satellite.jpg
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Old 12-29-2013, 08:32 PM
 
Location: Fairfax, Va
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Socialism = Europe (Denmark, Sweden, France, Finland...)
Communism = North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela
Capitalism= USA, Japan
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Old 12-29-2013, 10:30 PM
 
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Actually, it should be easy for any Hispanic country to have total literacy --- because in the Spanish language there is exactly one sound, and only one sound, to match every letter of their alphabet, with never any exceptions, and never any silent letters (making it infinitely simpler to write/spell than, say, French or English which are very chaotic and irrational to spell). So, any native Spanish-speaker needs to just learn the 26 letters (plus a couple of accent marks and the double-L) and they can instantly read.
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