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However, Socialism and Hugo Chavez ruined Venezuela.
I think Venezuela was ****ed up before Chavez took power. And I don't think they're all that socialist, there's a difference between the rhetoric people spit and the actual policies a lot of the time.
I think Venezuela was ****ed up before Chavez took power. And I don't think they're all that socialist, there's a difference between the rhetoric people spit and the actual policies a lot of the time.
Yes I agree with you. I went to Venezuela in 1988 and was shocked at how poor it was. It was inevitable that a left leaning gov't would take over. I don't know why their elites are so surprised.
Having said all of that Venezuela is even WORSE off than it was then. It show that cultural attitudes to governance sometimes trumps ideology in determining how well countries will be run.
While it is likely that Maduro will lose the next election I am not sure if the opposition will be any better.
However, Socialism and Hugo Chavez ruined Venezuela.
Bugler, I suggest you to read Karl Marx THE CAPITAL. Marx is the one who defined what is SOCIALISM. You'll se that there was not Socialism in any of the so called socialist countries since Russian Revolution till now.
Bugler, I suggest you to read Karl Marx THE CAPITAL. Marx is the one who defined what is SOCIALISM. You'll se that there was not Socialism in any of the so called socialist countries since Russian Revolution till now.
No he wasn't both socialism and communism were ideologies before Marx's time he was merely responsible for the most popular manifesto for communism as well as the most popular strain of "communism". But it is true that most of these countries aren't actually socialist.
I mean, that's sad for them, they would have to work for more than 500 years to buy a new car but of course they won't even try. Only "selected" people will buy, the population is still ****ed.
I mean, that's sad for them, they would have to work for more than 500 years to buy a new car but of course they won't even try. Only "selected" people will buy, the population is still ****ed.
I am perplexed by those who protect the Castros. Batista was a bad man, and clearly Cuba prior to 1958 had serious problems. But that doesn't justify the tremendous damage that Fidel Castro did to his country.
What is ironic is that they now seek to rectify this with crony capitalism. So we see a country where expensive cars are imported, but yet there is no attempt to improve the wages of the average Cuban. They are renovating parts of Central Havana and tossing the people who are displaced to who knows where, just so that some foreigners can buy or use these architectural wonders (once fixed).
Cuba has two currencies. The CUC and the peso, which is worthless. Most get paid in pesos. The elites have access to CUCs. Obviously some one is going to buy those cars, and it isn't the struggling small business people who are struggling to survive in a nation where few have purchasing power, and in a country with a stifling and inept bureaucracy. Or the growing numbers of the unemployed, now without work as financially struggling state enterprises shed workers.
So far every socialist I see has claimed that every country that is socialist today " isn't really socialist". If so, how could you want Socialism.. considering that the last country that had it FAILED.
So far every socialist I see has claimed that every country that is socialist today " isn't really socialist". If so, how could you want Socialism.. considering that the last country that had it FAILED.
Communists (I have no quarrel with Social Democrats, and Scandinavia is a huge success as is the Netherlands) are good at excuses. Cuba failed because of the embargo, yet the USA is an evil rapacious nation which exploits. They get tied up on their own knots.
So far every socialist I see has claimed that every country that is socialist today " isn't really socialist". If so, how could you want Socialism.. considering that the last country that had it FAILED.
If it doesn't fit the definition of socialism it doesn't fit the definition of socialism.
Haudenosaunee thrived in an essentially socialist system IIRC, got conquered in the end but that has a lot to do with smallpox like most indigenous nations.
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