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Old 12-27-2013, 11:27 AM
 
Location: Vegas
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It also doesn't help that US officials continue to impose a stupid and harmful embargo that only causes tens of thousands to suffer. Go here BBC News - In pictures: Housing in Havana to see some truly heartbreaking pictures.
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Old 12-27-2013, 03:15 PM
 
Location: Brasilia
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Socialism? Can we call it Socialism? One must read about it to define what it is exactly. There is not in Cuba, there was not socialism in the USSR.
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Old 12-27-2013, 03:43 PM
 
Location: Viña del Mar, Chile
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Socialism? Can we call it Socialism? One must read about it to define what it is exactly. There is not in Cuba, there was not socialism in the USSR.
However, Socialism and Hugo Chavez ruined Venezuela.
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Old 12-27-2013, 04:30 PM
 
Location: Fortaleza, Brazil
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Well, I'm not a "socialist" (except in the imagination of the cartoonish American conservatives, maybe), and also I'm not a big fan of the Castro brothers, but let's check some statistics...


First of all, Wikipedia's List of countries by infant mortality rate:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...mortality_rate



Average infant mortality rate (deaths/1,000 live births) estimated by the UN for the 2005 / 2010 period:


Cuba - 5.13


Canada - 5.22

United States - 5.4

United Arab Emirates - 6.87

Indonesia - 28.84



Now, Wikipedia's List of countries by life expectancy:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ife_expectancy


List by the World Health Organization (2011), for the Overall life expectancy (in years):


United States - 79

Cuba - 78

Mexico - 75

Thailand - 74

Morocco - 72

Pakistan - 67




Now, Wikipedia's List of countries by literacy rate:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._literacy_rate


Data from the CIA World Factbook:


Cuba - 99.8%

United States - 99.0%

Austria - 98%

South Korea - 97.9%

Spain - 97.7%

Chile - 95.7%

Brazil - 90.4%

Saudi Arabia - 86.6%

Bangladesh - 78.8%

United Arab Emirates - 77.9%

Algeria - 72.6%

Guatemala - 69.1%

Nepal - 66%

Morocco - 56.1%



Not bad, uh?


I'm a big fan of (regulated) capitalism, and I don't like the Castro regime, but we have to recognize Cuba's achievements...

The "anti-socialist" hysteria of the typical American conservative sounds funny and cartoonish for people in the rest of the world...
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Old 12-27-2013, 04:37 PM
 
Location: SW Missouri
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It also doesn't help that US officials continue to impose a stupid and harmful embargo that only causes tens of thousands to suffer. Go here BBC News - In pictures: Housing in Havana to see some truly heartbreaking pictures.
Even living in substandard conditions. Eaking out a living, they still NEVER LEARN.... "Some improvements are being made with government grants."



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Old 12-27-2013, 07:31 PM
 
Location: Viña del Mar, Chile
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I'm a big fan of (regulated) capitalism, and I don't like the Castro regime, but we have to recognize Cuba's achievements...

The "anti-socialist" hysteria of the typical American conservative sounds funny and cartoonish for people in the rest of the world...

Look at the living conditions of Cuba vs USA though.

No country is 100% capitalist, but let's not get ahead of ourselves and try to insinuate Cuba is anywhere near USA.
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Old 12-28-2013, 01:25 AM
 
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Well, I'm not a "socialist" (except in the imagination of the cartoonish American conservatives, maybe), and also I'm not a big fan of the Castro brothers, but let's check some statistics...


First of all, Wikipedia's List of countries by infant mortality rate:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...mortality_rate



Average infant mortality rate (deaths/1,000 live births) estimated by the UN for the 2005 / 2010 period:


Cuba - 5.13

Canada - 5.22

United States - 5.4

United Arab Emirates - 6.87

Indonesia - 28.84



Now, Wikipedia's List of countries by life expectancy:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ife_expectancy


List by the World Health Organization (2011), for the Overall life expectancy (in years):


United States - 79

Cuba - 78

Mexico - 75

Thailand - 74

Morocco - 72

Pakistan - 67




Now, Wikipedia's List of countries by literacy rate:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._literacy_rate


Data from the CIA World Factbook:


Cuba - 99.8%

United States - 99.0%

Austria - 98%

South Korea - 97.9%

Spain - 97.7%

Chile - 95.7%

Brazil - 90.4%

Saudi Arabia - 86.6%

Bangladesh - 78.8%

United Arab Emirates - 77.9%

Algeria - 72.6%

Guatemala - 69.1%

Nepal - 66%

Morocco - 56.1%



Not bad, uh?


I'm a big fan of (regulated) capitalism, and I don't like the Castro regime, but we have to recognize Cuba's achievements...

The "anti-socialist" hysteria of the typical American conservative sounds funny and cartoonish for people in the rest of the world...

You can look at statistics, some times manufactured by gov'ts. Or you can look at how people are living. I see no difference in how large numbers of people in Havana live and how people live in Rio's favelas. That is aside from the violent crime in Rio. However if Cubans didn't have its extensive secret police networks I feel confident that crime will be high there too.

In Brazil one can protest the conditions and demand that gov't and the elites take action to solve their problems.

In Cuba if one protests one that gets a visit from the police, accused of being counter revolutionary and potentially tossed in the lock ups.

Cubans have high literacy rates, but this hasn't translated into high living standards, based on those pictures. And there is a potential danger in that lower level jobs like taxi drivers and others involved in tourism earn way more than those in the professions. They also earn money in CUCs so can buy stuff in the more free market oriented stores which are better stocked.

Most Cubans, including the professionals who aren't in tourism or aren't part of the political elite get paid in pesos. So at some point (if it hasn't already happened) younger Cubans might think that education is a waste of time and their energies are better spent in tourism, or hustling in the underground economy.


And the diet of the average Cuban is horrendous because the state stores which accept pesos are empty and the special stores which are better stocked accept CUCs only, which most Cubans don't earn. And unlike other places there is little that people can do about it, so its filled many with a feeling of hopelessness and even despair.

Reality is that you can look at the stats which are impressive but there is no way that you would want to actually live in that country unless you were very connected to the elites, or were involved in tourism. To quote a cousin of mine who lives in Trinidad, only the poorest 5% of Trinidadians would want to live in Cuba. She has visited Cuba several times.
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Old 12-28-2013, 07:38 AM
 
Location: Casca - Rio Grande do Sul, Brazil
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Having 76 percent of pregnant teenagers electing to abort “is a public health problem,” said Dr. Jorge Peláez, vice president of the Cuban Society of Obstetrics and Gynaecology.
Cuban Teenagers Overuse Abortion as Birth Control - Inter Press Service

They only let born the healthier ones, it's too much abortions. Easy to have these rates then.
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Old 12-28-2013, 07:44 AM
 
Location: Casca - Rio Grande do Sul, Brazil
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Castro's mansion.


And the homes of the people, well, we already saw. Dat equality.
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Old 12-28-2013, 08:33 AM
 
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Every city in the World has ugly areas
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